Lets be honest about last night!!!!

[Kel]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.

[skel1983]

Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.

You seriously need to get your cock out of Floyds arse, for starters if Jones was fighting Lennox Lewis you would have a point but he fought John Ruiz, secondly remind me did Hopkins move back down to Middleweight after moving up? Do you think JMM will be now campaigning at 147??

Come on take them floyd glasses off mate.

[Kel]

Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up too weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.

That's what a training camp involves usually (apart from piss drinking).

Why have RJJ and Hopkins joined the party now anyway? Most fighter move up in weight but not 2 weight classes for a specific fight

I can't debate with you man you don't address the issues I bring up.

[Majesty]

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up two weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.

You seriously need to get your cock out of Floyds arse, for starters if Jones was fighting Lennox Lewis you would have a point but he fought John Ruiz, secondly remind me did Hopkins move back down to Middleweight after moving up? Do you think JMM will be now campaigning at 147??

Come on take them floyd glasses off mate.

What point are you trying to make?

Fact of the matter is fighters have been successful when they've moved up two weight classes. Even Mosley went from Lightweight to Welterweight to beat De La Hoya but I haven't mentioned him because he had some fights prior. Roy Jones and Hopkins have done it both. And no, Hopkins didn't move back to Middleweight but it doesn't take away from the fact Hopkins was a natural Middleweight and would often weigh in under the middleweight limit, he even weighed 155 for the De La Hoya fight. He still moved up to fight Tarver who was at the time the best light heavyweight in the world and demolished him. Regardless of what Hopkins did afterwards he still accomplished it so it's nothing that isn't unheard of. You need to take off the Floyd hater glasses. And I'm not even riding Floyd I'm just naming fighters that have been successful in Marquez's position and suddenly I'm riding Floyd? Points are, people have been in Marquez's position, other hall of fame fighters current hall of fame fighters have been successful in Marquez's position. The fact of the matter is Marquez would always lose to Mayweather and its stupid to even try to state that Floyd beat Marquez simply because he weighed more. So I don't know what point you were trying to make but naming other fighters that have been successful in Marquez's position(Mayweather included) is not riding Floyd. If I was using this win to boost him to the top of everyones p4p list while saying he walks on water then you'd have a point. But I haven't so quit overreacting.

How was it 2 weight classes? Also why the hell should Floyd get the same credit Marquez would have got should HE won? Marquez was there for a payday anyone with half a brain knew it was a total mis-match from the get go, the weight issue enhanced the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

So Marquez trained his butt off for all those months and spent time away from his family and children, made sacrifices and drank his own piss just to show up and get a payday? You're making less and less sense. He tried as hard and as hard as he could but had no answer for Mayweatehr's style. Mayweather beats Marquez at any weight. And Floyd weighed in at 150 against Oscar while Oscar weighed in at the limit of 154, didn't hear people complaining there. Floyd still won that fight too. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins both moved up too weight classes respectively and won their bouts as well.

That's what a training camp involves usually (apart from piss drinking).

Why have RJJ and Hopkins joined the party now anyway? Most fighter move up in weight but not 2 weight classes for a specific fight

I can't debate with you man you don't address the issues I bring up.

Yes and considering what Marquez went through it makes it all the more stupid for you to say that Marquez was just there for a pay day.

As far as issues you already brought up, I already addressed you about Shane which you didn't reply to, so you must have missed that. So here it is again

Apparently you made this before I added the information about Shane.

So let me put it here

And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley, prior to that he was an unknown . So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate. After he beat Oscar he fought a bunch of nobodies until Forrest wrecked him, and then went on to lose again, and then fought Wright and lost one sidedly, and then lost again to Wright.

Like I said, if Floyd had those losses on his record people wouldn't say "it's a testament to how great Floyd is to fight the best" they'd say "whenever he stepped up to some REAL competition he got beaten" and thats just how it is. Its a double standard when it comes to people like Floyd and people like Mosley. You make up two different sets of rules depending on which fighter you like more. Don't blame Floyd for winning and don't credit Mosley for losing. Floyd wanted a piece of Shane a long long time ago back and Shane didn't want it. The only reason Shane wants Floyd now is because it would get him one final pay day to go off into the sunset on. That's where the most money is. If Shane wanted a challenge he'd be fighting the people everyone is saying Floyd should be fighting. Why isn't Mosley moving up to 154 to fight Paul Williams? Why does Floyd have to be the one to do it? Why does Floyd have to fight Berto? Shouldn't Shane be trying to make that fight? Shane is as much after mega paydays as Floyd is and will cherry pick just as bad if he wants to make his money. But people only acknowledge when Floyd does it because he is easier to hate.

[Conrad]

Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.

When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...

[Majesty]

Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.

When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...

You must have hated delahoya for the last few years, and mosley and hopkins for the last year.

Who should Mayweather fight? Mosley? He tried to fight Mosley years ago when Shane was a lot less past it then he is now and Shane didn't want him. The only reason Shane wants him now is for the last big pay day.

I don't see Cotto, Pacquiao, or Mosley calling out, Berto, or Paul Williams either, so why aren't you down on them? Why is Mayweather the only one who gets hate for not fighting these people? Mosley was gonna fight Clottey but then when the proposition of Mayweather comes up thats who he wants to fight because if he had a choice he would fight who brings him the most money, rather then fighting the up and coming young talent. Which is exactly what people hate on Floyd for doing, but any and everyone else seems exempt

[knodaledge]

Man, Majesty is murdering in this thread!

[skel1983]

How can anyone have a debate with Majesty, the guy just doesnt take your argument on board, I cant talk to this guy, he just totally ignores the facts.

[Majesty]

How can anyone have a debate with Majesty, the guy just doesnt take your argument on board, I cant talk to this guy, he just totally ignores the facts.

Really? I ignore the facts. I already responded to Kel on Mosley, You on thinking I was biased for Floyd and Conrad on Floyd's "cowardice"

Don't try to say I'm not trying to debate you when I post a reply to counter yours and you don't reply to it. Just because my opinion isn't yours doesn't mean I ignore the facts, it means I have a different perspective and if you aren't even going to defend your perspective then don't say I'm the one who ignores something

[DaxxKahn]

Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.

When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...

You must have hated delahoya for the last few years, and mosley and hopkins for the last year.

Who should Mayweather fight? Mosley? He tried to fight Mosley years ago when Shane was a lot less past it then he is now and Shane didn't want him. The only reason Shane wants him now is for the last big pay day.

I don't see Cotto, Pacquiao, or Mosley calling out, Berto, or Paul Williams either, so why aren't you down on them? Why is Mayweather the only one who gets hate for not fighting these people? Mosley was gonna fight Clottey but then when the proposition of Mayweather comes up thats who he wants to fight because if he had a choice he would fight who brings him the most money, rather then fighting the up and coming young talent. Which is exactly what people hate on Floyd for doing, but any and everyone else seems exempt

Majesty don't try to compare quality of Opp of DLH VS that of Mayweather....DLH though I find him annoying has the best resume in boxing over the last 25 years at minimum so using DLH as an example stating "You must have hated De La Hoya" for the opp he had choosen the last few years was crazy......

Unless you are speaking of the Forbes and Pacquiao bouts only because they are the only 2 where DLH choose opp in a size difference

[Rantcatrat]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

You seem to be questioning why Floyd receives more grief than Cotto or Mosley. (1) PBF is #1 p4p in the sport and making more money than anyone else doing it; when you are #1 at anything you are highly scrutinized. Take Pacquiao for example. He fought at 112 or something to start his career and recently beat a future HOF at 147. But, many, many boxing fans downplay his victory because DLH was weight drained. Still, people easily forget, that the odds on that fight were close to 3-1 favoring DLH. As an aside, I, for one, thought DLH was a punk for fighting a smaller man. (2) Floyd hasn't fought one top welterweight in his five years campaigning at that weight. His reason is that the money is better fighting smaller fighters. Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pwill, and Berto. Those are the top welterweights. During the same period of time, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Williams, and Clottey have mixed up with eachother in the some way or the other. Margarito has fought Shane, Cotto, and Williams. Cotto has fought Shane, Clottey, and Margarito. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. etc.

It's not that Marquez was a bad choice for a come back fight. I understand the reasons behind choosing him. But, anyone who thought this fight would be remotely close was delusional (I, for one, picked Floyd by mid-round stoppage and was dissappointed with the ud). Marquez had NO chance coming into this fight. Floyd could have picked any number of a handful of welterweights for his comeback fight and he would have been favored in each match, but he picked a natural 130 pound fighter. A great smaller man, but still a natural junior lightweight (It was funny watching the undercard and knowing that not too long ago, Chris John beat Marquez at featherweight). And yes, it was the size that made the difference, not Floyd's size, but Marquez's size. As I've said in other posts, Marquez couldn't get anywhere near close enough to Floyd to land a punch and that is because Marquez is too small.

In the end, if he wasn't making the most money in the sport and the p4p best in the world and if he dominated his weight division, he wouldn't receive any grief. None at all. So, Floyd, clean out the division and prove the neighsayers wrong.

Other than 36 year old Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger man? I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened in the last five years.

[TheMacMagician]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

You seem to be questioning why Floyd receives more grief than Cotto or Mosley. (1) PBF is #1 p4p in the sport and making more money than anyone else doing it; when you are #1 at anything you are highly scrutinized. Take Pacquiao for example. He fought at 112 or something to start his career and recently beat a future HOF at 147. But, many, many boxing fans downplay his victory because DLH was weight drained. Still, people easily forget, that the odds on that fight were close to 3-1 favoring DLH. As an aside, I, for one, thought DLH was a punk for fighting a smaller man. (2) Floyd hasn't fought one top welterweight in his five years campaigning at that weight. His reason is that the money is better fighting smaller fighters. Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pwill, and Berto. Those are the top welterweights. During the same period of time, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Williams, and Clottey have mixed up with eachother in the some way or the other. Margarito has fought Shane, Cotto, and Williams. Cotto has fought Shane, Clottey, and Margarito. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. etc.

It's not that Marquez was a bad choice for a come back fight. I understand the reasons behind choosing him. But, anyone who thought this fight would be remotely close was delusional (I, for one, picked Floyd by mid-round stoppage and was dissappointed with the ud). Marquez had NO chance coming into this fight. Floyd could have picked any number of a handful of welterweights for his comeback fight and he would have been favored in each match, but he picked a natural 130 pound fighter. A great smaller man, but still a natural junior lightweight (It was funny watching the undercard and knowing that not too long ago, Chris John beat Marquez at featherweight). And yes, it was the size that made the difference, not Floyd's size, but Marquez's size. As I've said in other posts, Marquez couldn't get anywhere near close enough to Floyd to land a punch and that is because Marquez is too small.

In the end, if he wasn't making the most money in the sport and the p4p best in the world and if he dominated his weight division, he wouldn't receive any grief. None at all. So, Floyd, clean out the division and prove the neighsayers wrong.

Other than 36 year old Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger man? I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened in the last five years.

Had to dip out of the debate there, was getting way to deep on it.

Anyways, your right on the mark there ran

[Jesse James]

Watching Floyd and his brilliance on Saturday night just pissed me off.

Floyd is a coward plain and simple, he hand picks minimum risk smaller/older fighters who generate the most money for him.

When you see how good he really is then you should be in awe, not angry that he is ducking the best. The annoying thing is he'd still be favourite against any other WW out there. So just fight one of them already and cement the greatness you claim to have...

You must have hated delahoya for the last few years, and mosley and hopkins for the last year.

Who should Mayweather fight? Mosley? He tried to fight Mosley years ago when Shane was a lot less past it then he is now and Shane didn't want him. The only reason Shane wants him now is for the last big pay day.

I don't see Cotto, Pacquiao, or Mosley calling out, Berto, or Paul Williams either, so why aren't you down on them? Why is Mayweather the only one who gets hate for not fighting these people? Mosley was gonna fight Clottey but then when the proposition of Mayweather comes up thats who he wants to fight because if he had a choice he would fight who brings him the most money, rather then fighting the up and coming young talent. Which is exactly what people hate on Floyd for doing, but any and everyone else seems exempt

Dude, the only reason Floyd fights ANY fight is to get a big pay day, yet you criticize Shane for wanting his?

So you're saying Clottey or Berto are tougher fights than Floyd? Regardless of the money, Shane wants to fight the best, which is Mayweather right? It really doesn't doesn't make sense for you to claim that floyd is the best (which he is) then criticize Shane for wanting to fight him rather than some "young lion."

[JT Rock]

Unless you are speaking of the Forbes and Pacquiao bouts only because they are the only 2 where DLH choose opp in a size difference

You forgot to add Mayweather to your list

So yes the last couple of years translates to the last 3 fights mentioned