Lyle whats going on with your so called mighty reds??

[HattonTheHammer]

Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

[Master]

Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard.

[Nameless]

Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

[skel1983]

Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

[Drago]

Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard.

if u dont win are u out?

[Nameless]

Benitez is a dead man walking

Last year was truly the scousers time to finally win the prem. But they completely messed it up mid season and gave themselves far too much to do.

Theyre missing alonso in the hole big time and relying far too much on torres`s goals to win them football matches.

If things carry on the way they are they`ll be lucky to be playing in the uefa cup next season que an exodus of stars from the club!

I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

[skel1983]

I don't think it's Benitez's fault; by the past with a limited effective, he's been able to carry them far. They just lack deepness and funds at the moment to replace Alonso decently.

Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

[Master]

Really worried about Wednesday at Lyon, no Gerrard.

if u dont win are u out?

We will be as good as out.

[El Kabong]

I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
GK: Riena

Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

[El Kabong]

....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

[skel1983]

....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

If I was Liverpool id buy Carlton Cole from West Ham in January quality striker who would compliment Torres well.

[skel1983]

I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
GK: Riena




Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

[Nameless]

Have to disagree totally there, Benitez has spent more than any other manger in past 4 years bar Man City, has brought no youngsters through. Last home grown talent was Steven Gerrard in 1998. He has been riding that CL win in 2005 far to long and bought some shit players, and curretnly has a shit sqaud, he drove Alonso out so whose fault is it hes gone Benitez's he tried off loading him last year so he could buy Barry, do you blame Alonso ? he wasnt wanted.

Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

[skel1983]

Not from what I've read;, the thing with Alonso is that he wanted to Join Madrid and didn't want to stay in Liverpool for quite some time now (i.e Madrid made him charm for a long time now, too); The move with Barry was because he wanted to go so that was a good timing to switch things... We know the rest, Barry went to City and Alonso always wanted to go to Madrid, we've have had a couple of articles about that situation here.
For the rest, Liverpool has always a competitive team for the past 5 years, won the CL in 2005, almost won the England premiereship last year (one damn victory away), that is not bad indeed for a team who,s in a very thin bottleneck with the ownership problem, money problem and the rest. Sure, I wish it was better, but to me, Benitez is not the real problem over here.

You read wrong mate and you are wrong, the damage was done in 2008 when Benitez tried to off load Alonso to Juventus to raise funds for Gareth Barry. Alonso didnt want to go anywhere he was settles at Liverpool until Bentiez did this, he wasnt intrested in Madrid and Madrid were not intrested until after this read this what Alonso said about why he moved. Again proves what a dick Benitez is as Alonso was there best player last year only 12 months earlier he didnt want him.


Money problem you say?? Go look at how much they have spent sorry how much Benitez has wasted now there struggling but over Bentiez's reign they have spent more than United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Id expect more than a cl and fa cup, he even came 5th the season he won the cl and was very lucky to have them in the cl. He needs to go imo.

Anyway this is why Alonso went not like you said cos he had his heart set on Madrid because like I sadi Benitez didnt want him and tried to offload him without his say so.

Benitez had wanted to off-load Alonso to Juventus in July 2008 to raise money to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
Alonso was disappointed to hear that Benitez was willing to let him go and resolved to leave when the right opportunity arose.

That finally happened when he joined Real for £30 million in August after revealing to Benitez that he wanted to leave the Premier League club.


"It was a very difficult decision for me to make," he told Sky Sports News. "After five years I have experienced wonderful nights at Anfield, to have experienced the support of probably the best fans in the world.
"That's why I have always been very grateful and I will always have them in my mind and it has been a pleasure.
"Last year the club proposed me that I might have to be sold to find funds for new players.
"It was a difficult decision or difficult moment to accept that. I accepted that as a professional and that moment probably changed my mind and I thought that maybe from that moment that maybe it was time for a change."
Alonso has since admitted that his relationship with Benitez deteriorated when he demanded to leave but the Spanish international reveals that their relationship was always a professional one.
"There has been a lot of rumours but I have always said that it has been simply a professional relationship," he said.
"I have always tried to do what he asked to do. What he asked of me on the pitch to do the talking on the pitch and that's that as far as that."

I totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)

Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.

Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.

[El Kabong]

You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

If Johnson is out then play Insua.

I've always thought Voronin was a decent player, I stand by that. He creates chances, he passes well, and he controls the ball well...the only thing he could improve on is hustling a bit more, but what he ends up doing is getting in position to put away rebounds or create scoring chances for his team mates. Voronin could start every second of every game, he probably wouldn't score 10 goals in a season, but he would create a fair ammount. When he does play he needs a striker that can score and a midfielder that can score. He's a good player, he's just not used very well.

I mean I'd rather have a better backup striker, but Voronin is ok...he doesn't deserve the shit he catches from the fans.

What level do you think Voronin is on, I want to know just how bad you think he is. Compare him to an American player...Eddie Johnson maybe?