Pacquiao vs Mayweather who wins?

[The Shadow]

As much as I despise saying it - I despise Mayweather with a passion - I have to go with Ugly Boy on points. However, if Manny can LAND on Floyd, a feat which has yet to be decisively accomplished by any opponent, we'll finally see what kind of jaw Gayweather has. I'm hopeful - although a bit cynical - that Manny's power puts Gayweather on his arse...What a fukin site for sore eyes that would be.

This fight MUST happen, and it will. It will be the biggest challenge to both fighters. Although I hope Manny KO's Floyd, I just don't see it happening. Floyd is a freak...but then again, so is Manny.

[Dizaster]

To me it isn't even a question. Mayweather by healthy decision. Pacquiao will have his moments but by the 9th or 10th round, Mayweather will have a good lead in the cards & it'll just be Mayweather pot shotting a chasing Pacquiao.

Pacquiao wins by beating people up. I don't think he'll be able to beat up Mayweather in the way he needs to. Mayweather outboxes his opponents & we've seen Pacquiao outboxed by lesser boxers before.

yeah i would agree but pac has roach, he is undeniably the best trainer out there, look how oscar did against mayweather, that was down to roach, that man nos how too disect an opponent, and he has the perfect pupil in pac to implement that gameplan on maywaether. i would put my money on mayweather yes. cause his style is the best style too beat pac, but with pac, roach can give pac the style too beat mayweather. and pac can carry that gameplan and bring it too fruition cause of his athletic abiltity

Does he, though? Pac wasn't paying attention to Freddie Roach when he stood and took Cotto's shots, resulting in him busting his ear and looking as if he'd been slapped around the face with a bag of bricks. And Mayweather is a different animal. If Manny makes a mistake, or strays from the plan laid out for him by Roach, Floyd will exploit it. Pac would have to fight the perfect fight just to have a chance of beating Mayweather, and I can't see that happening. He's too inclined to go to war, which just doesn't work against Mayweather. If you want to beat him you have to be as methodical as he is and treat the fight like a game of chess - can Pac do that for 12 rounds? I don't see it, though he certainly has the tools [speed, athleticism, power, footwork] to trouble Floyd IF he can stick to a perfect game plan.

I agree with all of that about Mayweather making Pac pay for his mistakes. And for Pac to win, he needs to have a flawless game plan, and a flawless plan B and a flawless plan C to beat Mayweather..

But regarding ignoring Roach and standing and taking some of Cotto's shots, I don't believe that was due to slopiness or lazyness,,, he said confidently after the fight that he wanted to measure Cotto's punches and convince himself he could take them, as well as show Cotto that he could take them..

Whether that could have backfired or not, maybe, and he should really listen to Roach against Mayweather and not try anything silly.. But being confident in the ring enough to change up the gameplan in that way where he felt safe to push Cotto a little bit mentally and strengthen himself mentally, by letting Cotto land a few, I think that was a positive for him during that fight... Everyone I knew watching the fight thought Pac was crazy standing there and letting Cotto hit him, and it seemed stupid and ignorant to Roach's game plan originally.. But after hearing that it was a rational deliberate decision after the fight and not just total loss of control over the game plan, I think that's fine and not a weakness persay for Floyd to exploit..

[The Shadow]

Pacquiao by TKO. He is unpredictable and his punches comes to any angle. I don't know if Mayweather can stand Pacquiao barrage punches. Pacquiao has high KO rate 69.09%

If Mayweather keeps running and don't trade punches. Mayweather by SD

Very close to call. Anything can happen.

Sound call. I agree.

[Pavlik]

In reality it's a toss up, but I'll stand behind our PACMAN. If Manny took Miguel's powershots well I'm pretty sure PBF's won't be a problem. If Manny can find GAPS in PBF's defense Manny has the SPEED to exploit them and POWER to do damage.

[jahmez]

I don't believe that Pacquiao should choose to box Mayweather as if "he's playing a game of chess". That would be suicide. Mayweather is a pure boxer. Pacquiao is a fighter. In a world of order chaos rules. I never believed that Pacquiao could beat Mayweather until I saw him take a 145lb Cotto counter left hook to the head and without being hurt immediately reply with a right hook of his own that rippled the flesh on Cotto's entire face, winning the exchange and forcing back one of the supposedly most powerful punchers in the welterweight division. The fact that he had a "broken" eardrum and a swollen face is irrelevant. It had absolutely no effect. I've always believed that all the things that Pacquiao does wrong will be exploited by Mayweather. Now I believe they'll also help him. The only way your going to reach Mayweather is by lunging. The bull is never going to touch the matador by carefully plodding along. The only way your going to land on Mayweather is by sheer volume. Your not going to outsnipe a master marksman from distance. You've got to come in at angles and spray as many bullets as you can before he takes a better vantage point. Duran vs Leonard 1 not 2.

[Kel]

Floyd will win with dirty tricks just like the rest of these fairy American fucktards.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Floyd will win with dirty tricks just like the rest of these fairy American fucktards.

ummm not sure that Brits should be trying to shame anyone when it comes to dirty tricks, (Hatton, Froch, Hamed, etc.)

[TitoFan]

Tho I'd be rooting for Pacquiao, I think PBF is too slick a boxer and too fast for Pac. Outboxing Manny is one way to beat him, and Floyd has the tools to do that. Pac would still have the puncher's chance, and... if he threw enough flurries at PBF, who knows... boxing is nothing if not unpredictable.

[kingfrnk]

Floyd will win with dirty tricks just like the rest of these fairy American fucktards.

god damn stop being such a sore ass loser. Kessler lost get the fuck over it.

[SRR]

yeah i would agree but pac has roach, he is undeniably the best trainer out there, look how oscar did against mayweather, that was down to roach, that man nos how too disect an opponent, and he has the perfect pupil in pac to implement that gameplan on maywaether. i would put my money on mayweather yes. cause his style is the best style too beat pac, but with pac, roach can give pac the style too beat mayweather. and pac can carry that gameplan and bring it too fruition cause of his athletic abiltity

Does he, though? Pac wasn't paying attention to Freddie Roach when he stood and took Cotto's shots, resulting in him busting his ear and looking as if he'd been slapped around the face with a bag of bricks. And Mayweather is a different animal. If Manny makes a mistake, or strays from the plan laid out for him by Roach, Floyd will exploit it. Pac would have to fight the perfect fight just to have a chance of beating Mayweather, and I can't see that happening. He's too inclined to go to war, which just doesn't work against Mayweather. If you want to beat him you have to be as methodical as he is and treat the fight like a game of chess - can Pac do that for 12 rounds? I don't see it, though he certainly has the tools [speed, athleticism, power, footwork] to trouble Floyd IF he can stick to a perfect game plan.

I agree with all of that about Mayweather making Pac pay for his mistakes. And for Pac to win, he needs to have a flawless game plan, and a flawless plan B and a flawless plan C to beat Mayweather..

But regarding ignoring Roach and standing and taking some of Cotto's shots, I don't believe that was due to slopiness or lazyness,,, he said confidently after the fight that he wanted to measure Cotto's punches and convince himself he could take them, as well as show Cotto that he could take them..

Whether that could have backfired or not, maybe, and he should really listen to Roach against Mayweather and not try anything silly.. But being confident in the ring enough to change up the gameplan in that way where he felt safe to push Cotto a little bit mentally and strengthen himself mentally, by letting Cotto land a few, I think that was a positive for him during that fight... Everyone I knew watching the fight thought Pac was crazy standing there and letting Cotto hit him, and it seemed stupid and ignorant to Roach's game plan originally.. But after hearing that it was a rational deliberate decision after the fight and not just total loss of control over the game plan, I think that's fine and not a weakness persay for Floyd to exploit..

I never said it was due to sloppiness or laziness, or even implied it: the point I was making is that he did not follow the game plan Roach set up for him, and as a result he got pretty badly hurt [not enough to stop him fighting, but breaking your ear drum is still not desirable]. Now, if he makes mistakes like that against Floyd he probably won't get hurt even as much as he did against Cotto, but he will lose that round on points, and this is what I mean about perfection. He has to be able to execute a very clever game plan for 12 rounds, and if he can't do that, he will lose on points. I know Manny listens to Roach a lot of the time, but when he doesn't he gets himself in trouble. I'm thinking of the first fight with Marquez in particular, where Marquez adapted after the first round onslaught and it took a while for Manny to really listen to the advice Roach was giving him in the corner and start trying to push Marquez back. If he doesn't listen to Roach's advice immediately against Mayweather, he'll bleed rounds, because you can be sure PBF will change tactics if and when the need arises, and that change will be pretty much instantaneous.

[Dizaster]

Does he, though? Pac wasn't paying attention to Freddie Roach when he stood and took Cotto's shots, resulting in him busting his ear and looking as if he'd been slapped around the face with a bag of bricks. And Mayweather is a different animal. If Manny makes a mistake, or strays from the plan laid out for him by Roach, Floyd will exploit it. Pac would have to fight the perfect fight just to have a chance of beating Mayweather, and I can't see that happening. He's too inclined to go to war, which just doesn't work against Mayweather. If you want to beat him you have to be as methodical as he is and treat the fight like a game of chess - can Pac do that for 12 rounds? I don't see it, though he certainly has the tools [speed, athleticism, power, footwork] to trouble Floyd IF he can stick to a perfect game plan.

I agree with all of that about Mayweather making Pac pay for his mistakes. And for Pac to win, he needs to have a flawless game plan, and a flawless plan B and a flawless plan C to beat Mayweather..

But regarding ignoring Roach and standing and taking some of Cotto's shots, I don't believe that was due to slopiness or lazyness,,, he said confidently after the fight that he wanted to measure Cotto's punches and convince himself he could take them, as well as show Cotto that he could take them..

Whether that could have backfired or not, maybe, and he should really listen to Roach against Mayweather and not try anything silly.. But being confident in the ring enough to change up the gameplan in that way where he felt safe to push Cotto a little bit mentally and strengthen himself mentally, by letting Cotto land a few, I think that was a positive for him during that fight... Everyone I knew watching the fight thought Pac was crazy standing there and letting Cotto hit him, and it seemed stupid and ignorant to Roach's game plan originally.. But after hearing that it was a rational deliberate decision after the fight and not just total loss of control over the game plan, I think that's fine and not a weakness persay for Floyd to exploit..

I never said it was due to sloppiness or laziness, or even implied it: the point I was making is that he did not follow the game plan Roach set up for him, and as a result he got pretty badly hurt [not enough to stop him fighting, but breaking your ear drum is still not desirable]. Now, if he makes mistakes like that against Floyd he probably won't get hurt even as much as he did against Cotto, but he will lose that round on points, and this is what I mean about perfection. He has to be able to execute a very clever game plan for 12 rounds, and if he can't do that, he will lose on points. I know Manny listens to Roach a lot of the time, but when he doesn't he gets himself in trouble. I'm thinking of the first fight with Marquez in particular, where Marquez adapted after the first round onslaught and it took a while for Manny to really listen to the advice Roach was giving him in the corner and start trying to push Marquez back. If he doesn't listen to Roach's advice immediately against Mayweather, he'll bleed rounds, because you can be sure PBF will change tactics if and when the need arises, and that change will be pretty much instantaneous.

Yeah no probs buddy.. I did seem like I implied that you meant that.. I think I just meant that I believe Pac had developed that skill of really being able to stick to a game plan...

And actually maybe in this case during the Cotto fight, he should probably have got it straight with Roach before the fight that if during some stages Pac felt comfortable, he would test out Cotto a bit...

Every round he can get a point over Floyd he needs to take.. I don't think it'll be a battle of dominence or mind games.. Pac needs to earn every inch of the ring and every point from every judge to get the win by the end..

I'm with ya there

[mike_scfld]

Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao is great. But still the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, still went life and death with JMM. And Floyd Mayweather Jr is pretty much better than JMM in most departments, so Floyd Mayweather Jr by close decision.

The version of a flabby JMM that fought Floyd will be murdered by Pac in 2 if they fight at 140 or 147 today, imo. Floyd made JMM up by 15 lbs then cheat him on the scale winning by a mere decisions.

Pac fights JMM at his best weights. On their rematch Pac reportedly on the verge of not making the 130 lbs thus the lucklaster performance though still manage to reconfigure JMM's face (while pretty clean after Floyd fights) and put him on his pants. I guess its the reason why pac jumps on higher weights right after the JMM rematch.
The new and improved Manny Pacquiao began after the JMM rematch not before. I dont think Floyd can apply his coward fighting style with pac. pac by ko, less than 6.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao is great. But still the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, still went life and death with JMM. And Floyd Mayweather Jr is pretty much better than JMM in most departments, so Floyd Mayweather Jr by close decision.

The version of a flabby JMM that fought Floyd will be murdered by Pac in 2 if they fight at 140 or 147 today, imo. Floyd made JMM up by 15 lbs then cheat him on the scale winning by a mere decisions.

Pac fights JMM at his best weights. On their rematch Pac reportedly on the verge of not making the 130 lbs thus the lucklaster performance though still manage to reconfigure JMM's face (while pretty clean after Floyd fights) and put him on his pants. I guess its the reason why pac jumps on higher weights right after the JMM rematch.
The new and improved Manny Pacquiao began after the JMM rematch not before. I dont think Floyd can apply his coward fighting style with pac. pac by ko, less than 6.

you're retarded if you couldn't clearly see that Floyd could have had Marquez out of there by the 5th if he wanted to, he already seriously rocked and hurt Marquez when he dropped him in the 2nd, thing is Floyd took his foot off the gas right after, he pulled a Roy Jones (the Felix Trinidad fight, Tito was done by the 6th), it is very well known that Mayweather is a safety first fighter, and theres no doubt in my mind that he only let Marquez go the distance because he wanted to get rounds in due to the long layoff, IMO Pacquaio still made obvious mistakes against Cotto, and he'll pay dearly against Mayweather, Floyd by UD

[PaulG]

you're retarded if you couldn't clearly see that Floyd could have had Marquez out of there by the 5th if he wanted to, he already seriously rocked and hurt Marquez when he dropped him in the 2nd, thing is Floyd took his foot off the gas right after, he pulled a Roy Jones (the Felix Trinidad fight, Tito was done by the 6th), it is very well known that Mayweather is a safety first fighter, and theres no doubt in my mind that he only let Marquez go the distance because he wanted to get rounds in due to the long layoff, IMO Pacquaio still made obvious mistakes against Cotto, and he'll pay dearly against Mayweather, Floyd by UD

I agree. There seem to be a lot of people who now believe that Pacquiao is some sort of unbeatable superhero and Mayweather is not fit to lace his boots - a complete role reversal from a few months ago and largely thanks to the many Pac "superfans" that post on this board (I'm looking at you fanjohn amongst others).

Pac is a very good boxer, no question but IMO there are going to be a lot of red faces admitting that they got wrapped up in all the hype when this is all over...

Floyd by comfortable stoppage for me.

[mike_scfld]

Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao is great. But still the new and improved Manny Pacquiao, still went life and death with JMM. And Floyd Mayweather Jr is pretty much better than JMM in most departments, so Floyd Mayweather Jr by close decision.

The version of a flabby JMM that fought Floyd will be murdered by Pac in 2 if they fight at 140 or 147 today, imo. Floyd made JMM up by 15 lbs then cheat him on the scale winning by a mere decisions.

Pac fights JMM at his best weights. On their rematch Pac reportedly on the verge of not making the 130 lbs thus the lucklaster performance though still manage to reconfigure JMM's face (while pretty clean after Floyd fights) and put him on his pants. I guess its the reason why pac jumps on higher weights right after the JMM rematch.
The new and improved Manny Pacquiao began after the JMM rematch not before. I dont think Floyd can apply his coward fighting style with pac. pac by ko, less than 6.

you're retarded if you couldn't clearly see that Floyd could have had Marquez out of there by the 5th if he wanted to, he already seriously rocked and hurt Marquez when he dropped him in the 2nd, thing is Floyd took his foot off the gas right after, he pulled a Roy Jones (the Felix Trinidad fight, Tito was done by the 6th), it is very well known that Mayweather is a safety first fighter, and theres no doubt in my mind that he only let Marquez go the distance because he wanted to get rounds in due to the long layoff, IMO Pacquaio still made obvious mistakes against Cotto, and he'll pay dearly against Mayweather, Floyd by UD

Youre idi0t for calling me names. Could, would, if, whatever doesnt hold water azzhole. The record shows its a mere decisions. Youre lucky that Pacquiao still has obvious mistakes otherwise your Cotto will now be 6 ft below the ground. I see that youre living in a fantasy world and a sore rican loser. What can I expect from a loser tell me.