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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Among the smarter posters in this thread are Ouma Fan and Zhubin - A word of advice though :- Give up trying to get past these people's naivity about performance enhancing drugs.

    It's not just most Pac fans in this thread but the public in general who don't have a clue about how common PED use is in sport and how piss poor (excuse the pun) the methods of testing are as well as the advancements in the different types of drugs.

    I was naive to it too when I was young but difference is I went and did some research. Most people who have an opinion on it are educated through the media who don't have a clue.

    The demonization of our best sprinter, Dwain Chambers in the U.K was a perfect example. Even the owner of Balco who supplied the drugs said that most people shitting on Dwain were users themselves!! This is the cut-throat nature of big money sports.

    The only thing that is "plain and simple" ironically, is that we don't know for sure unless someone is proven guilty...and this is very difficult because of the crap testing/exotic new drugs/drug cycling with short acting drugs that leave the body quickly.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Intazzz View Post
    But since I migrate in the US. I gained 50lbs in just 2 years. And maintain my speed, jumping ability and my body is ripped as hell. I play ball and played very good just like all the black guys

    Ha haa hahahaha

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft View Post
    Pacquiao is on BALUT.
    I heard Germen Shepard.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Ya, so keep your dog on a leash if your so concerned. Especially if that bitch got meat

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Intazzz View Post
    The biggest and most baseless accusation flying around these days within the world of boxing is the statement that Manny Pacquiao has apparently utilized performance enhancing drugs in order to attain his all-time great status. The leading argument from his detractors is the fact that the "Pacman" has moved from the 130 pound division to the 147 pound division in a mere four years while retaining all the physical qualities he exemplified within the lower weight classes. They state that moving up 17 pounds in weight while preserving a chiseled physique is damn near impossible for a man of Pacquiao's size.

    I would tend to agree completely.

    We've all seen examples of fighters moving up in weight that tend to lose that "carved out of marble"-look...

    Unfortunately this argument falls drastically short on numerous levels regarding Pacquiao.

    Here are the most succinct examples as to why there is no argument in regards to Manny Pacquiao utilizing illegal substances to achieve success within the higher weight division...

    Manny Pacquiao entered the super featherweight division March 19, 2005 when he took on all-time Mexican great, Erik "El Terrible" Morales. Here is the tale of the tape for that bout:



    The fight took place at 130 pounds in which Pacquiao would weigh-in the day prior at 129.5. On the night of the bout the "Pacman" would rehydrate to 139 pounds while Morales would rehydrate to 140. Being that it was his first move up from the featherweight limit (a weight he competed a total of only 5 times at), it was evident that Manny was the "smaller" man at the time. His body hadn't saturated itself at the higher weight yet and making the contracted weight was not an issue.

    19 months following that first bout with Morales, Pacquiao would enter his trilogy match with the Mexican on November 18, 2006. Here is the tale of the tape for that bout:




    Once again... this bout took place at the 130 pound limit but at this point, Pacquiao's body had seemingly matured within the superweight division after having competed 3 times within the weight class. On the night of the fight, Many would rehydrate to 144 pounds while Morales would rehydrate to 139. No eyebrows were raised at this point in time as it was merely evident that the Filipino had continued to mature and strengthen bit by bit.

    16 months and three fights later on March 15, 2008, Manny Pacquio would enter his rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez at the Mandalay Bay Events Center. Here is the tale of the tape for that bout:




    This would be the "Pacman's" last and final bout within the super featherweight division and the weigh-in he'd hit the mark of 129 pounds. On the night of the fight, Pacquiao would re-hydrate to 145 pounds while Marquez would rehydrate to 141. Being that the southpaw would gain 16 pounds overnight, it pointed to the fact that there must have been a pretty decent battle in continuing to make the 130 pound limit and that a move up to lightweight was not completely out of the question. His affair with Marquez was a nip-and-tuck affair but at this point in time, no eyebrows were raised as to Manny's potential usage of performance enhancing drugs.

    3 months following his rematch with Marquez, the dynamic lefty would make the trek up to the 135 pound division on June 28, 2008 to face-off with WBC belt-holder David Diaz. Here is the tale of the tape for that bout:



    As you can see... Pacquiao would reyhdrate to 147 pounds, a mere 2 pounds heavier than he had been for his bout with Marquez three months prior. Diaz would reyhdrate to 148 pounds indicating that both men were fighting on relatively even terms as it pertains to size. While it was a shockingly impressive performance by the "Pacman", nobody had even begun to mention anything in relation to the possibility of Manny being a drug abuser. Diaz would receive a hellacious pounding throughout that night but many knowledgeable boxing fans felt as though Diaz had lost to Erik Morales the year prior making this victory a little less "shiny" for the "Pacman". The fact that Manny didn't look bloated or out of place with a legitimate-sized lightweight didn't really seem to shock anybody at this point in time.

    6 months following the David Diaz fight, Pacquiao would make the trek up to the welterweight division for a bout with Oscar De la Hoya. The "Golden Boy" opted not to face off against fellow Mexican, Antonio Margarito and instead would choose to fight the smaller man in Manny. Here is the tale of the tape for that bout:




    There was massive intrigue going into and following the weigh-in for this bout as many questions abounded as to how Manny would look at this much higher weight class. The bout took place at the welterweight limit with Manny weighing 142 pounds at the weigh-in while rehydrating to the 148.5 mark on the night of the fight. For those of you mathematically challenged, that's 6.5 pounds. De la Hoya would tip the scales at 145 pounds at the weigh-in while rehydrating to 147 pounds the next day. The amusing thing to me is the fact that it was more than apparent that HBO was attempting to diffuse the "size disparity" issue between the two having added the 0.5 "extra weight" to the smaller man. This is something I've never seen prior to or after this farce of an event. Seriously... since when does HBO's unofficial scale include half pounds.

    So now lets take a quick look back at this stretch of fights for Pacquiao.

    Night of the Fight HBO Weigh-ins for Manny:

    Pacquiao-Morales I - March 19, 2005 - 139 pounds... the look, tight and chiseled. Amount of weight gained overnight... 9.5 pounds.
    Pacquiao-Morales III - November 18, 2006 - 144 pounds... the look, slightly wider but still strong and defined. Amount of weight gained overnight... 14 pounds.
    Pacquiao-Marquez II - March 15, 2008 - 145 pounds... the look, same as the fight before. Amount of weight gained overnight... 16 pounds.
    Pacquiao-Diaz - June 28, 2008 - 147 pounds... strong and defined. Amount of weight gained overnight... 12 pounds.
    Pacquiao-De la Hoya - December 6, 2008 - 148.5 pounds... slightly stronger and defined. Amount of weight gained overnight... 6.5 pounds.

    Most knowledgeable boxing people understand the fact that drying one's body out to make an artificially lower weight class always takes a toll on one's body.

    Always.

    You must sacrifice a good amount of nutrition to do so and it leaves your body at less than 100 percent by the time the initial bell rings. It's inevitable regardless of how much weight your body gains overnight.

    Being that Manny is now competing within a weight division in which he doesn't struggle one bit to make, it doesn't suprise me at all to see him not only perform to the best of his physical abilities but it also allows him to execute the gameplan Freddie Roach has pieced together to a razor sharp tee. A person's mind is much more clearer when they are in 100 percent physical condition and haven't been forced to starve leading up to the test. It's simple physiology my friends...

    There have been numerous scientific tests pointing to the fact that humans perform written and oral exams at much poorer levels when they are in a state of hunger or malnutrition as the body's focus is on food rather than following directions or performing tasks. Sure, the second that the weigh-in is over one is allowed to consume as much food and liquids as one might desire but the mind and nervous system still take several days to recover in order to think at a pristine quality.

    The fact that Manny weighed in at 144 pounds in 2006 and 148.5 pounds in 2008 tells me that the "Pacman" did not gain 17 pounds in muscle in 2 years. It tells me that he is competing at his natural weight and has been able to train at an optimal level to retain those qualities that make him great. In my mind, Manny Pacquiao has gained 4.5 pounds of overall body strength in 2 years which is not exactly unheard of my friends.

    Being that the "Pacman" has had amongst the strongest legs within boxing for quite some time, it can't be that suprising that he's able to move so well at this "slightly" higher weight class. He moved great against Morales in their trilogy bout and he moved great 4.5 pounds later against Oscar De la Hoya.

    Sometimes it seems as though boxing tends to have the most moronic "analysts" and fans in the world by far.

    If you could at least point to some factual evident that Pacquiao has gained an enormous amount of weight over the past 4 years, then one might have half-a-leg to stand on. As it is right now, idiots are just spouting bullshit and a whole lot of it.

    Pacquiao's achieved all that he has based on hard work, dedication, and some great genetics that kicked in later on in life...

    Read more

    Just sharing this nice article.

    The Boxing Truth - Manny Pacquiao Is Not On Steroids Or PEDS... Plain And Very Simple
    After reading all that I have no doubt Pacquiao is on something.
    Just saying that you got a rep? What's going on in this world

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Just wondering. How come Manny won't share his "steroids" with Bobby.

    Quick question though. Have any of the top 10 ATG ever tested of performance enhancing drugs?

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by The Congressman View Post
    Just wondering. How come Manny won't share his "steroids" with Bobby.

    Quick question though. Have any of the top 10 ATG ever tested of performance enhancing drugs?

    nope, unless you count RJJ up there but i wouldnt... however some positive tests never see the light of day

    carl lewis tested positive to the olympics were he was granted the gold medal after Ben johnson was disqualified for using PED's, Lewis' test never became news for some reason ...

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by The Congressman View Post
    Just wondering. How come Manny won't share his "steroids" with Bobby.
    Sibling rivalry. Greedy bastard. Pick one. Could be he didn't have enough. The amount of steroids and drugs that it would take to make Bobby at least a mediocre fighter is no doubt substantial.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Another good article.

    Is Pacquiao Impossible? Why Steroid Accusations Are Baseless - Avi \"Shoefly\" Korine - The Rumble - Sporting News

    BoxingVoice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrDkLH97IA
    Mayweather's is crying like kids and just trying to discredit Pacquiao. Mayweather's just trying to get out in the fight.
    Last edited by Intazzz; 12-24-2009 at 01:07 AM.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    I was defending Pac earlier in this thread, but now I'm not so sure. By refusing point blank to go along with the testing suggested by Mayweather does make him appear somewhat guilty. It's insane that a fight of this magnitude is failing to materialise because one guy is refusing a blood test.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    I was defending Pac earlier in this thread, but now I'm not so sure. By refusing point blank to go along with the testing suggested by Mayweather does make him appear somewhat guilty. It's insane that a fight of this magnitude is failing to materialise because one guy is refusing a blood test.

    Huh? Pacquiao is not refusing. Pacquiao is willing to give urine 24/7 and willing to give his blood after the fight not before the fight. Giving blood is like having SEX. Boxers don't take sex in their training. It makes you weak.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Intazzz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    I was defending Pac earlier in this thread, but now I'm not so sure. By refusing point blank to go along with the testing suggested by Mayweather does make him appear somewhat guilty. It's insane that a fight of this magnitude is failing to materialise because one guy is refusing a blood test.

    Huh? Pacquiao is not refusing. Pacquiao is willing to give urine 24/7 and willing to give his blood after the fight not before the fight. Giving blood is like having SEX. Boxers don't take sex in their training. It makes you weak.
    He is trying to manipulate when the blood tests are taken. There is no good reason why the testing cannot be random. In this respect he is refusing to comply with what IMO is a sound and reasoned proposal by the Mayweather team. I don't really equate giving blood with the act of copulation, but maybe that's just me. It has been argued already that the inconvenience of giving a little bit of blood a few times during camp, is really going to have very little effect upon Manny's training regime. It's a weak excuse.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    It depends on the athlete. If your superstitious it will affect you psychologically. It makes you psychologically damage. Every athlete have unique superstitious. In my experience I give blood and it makes me feel weak. That's being me. I don't know it depends on the person.


    Again is a psychologically thing and its hard to take that out.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    Quote Originally Posted by Intazzz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    I was defending Pac earlier in this thread, but now I'm not so sure. By refusing point blank to go along with the testing suggested by Mayweather does make him appear somewhat guilty. It's insane that a fight of this magnitude is failing to materialise because one guy is refusing a blood test.

    Huh? Pacquiao is not refusing. Pacquiao is willing to give urine 24/7 and willing to give his blood after the fight not before the fight. Giving blood is like having SEX. Boxers don't take sex in their training. It makes you weak.

    By this statement I have to assume you've done neither
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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

    I've been giving blood for drug test many times and try sex many times too. So I know. That's base of being me.
    Last edited by Intazzz; 12-24-2009 at 02:05 AM.

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