Coldest winter in 30years in the UK, so what do the Global Warming experts say?

[Nameless]

Man Al Gore has all you indoctrinated pretty good doesn't he?

No he didn't. He's the first one who will say half true things to pocket on the whole. See my previous post for an exact idea of what I think on the matter. I have countless other sources more than reliable about the topic and peoples who aren't affiliated to the political bandwagon.

[amat]

Fcken Lyle What do Global Forcing and Malikoblahblahvic's axis have to do with the ozone? and that's proven to be fucked up, it's not just about the weather. Unless you want to deny that to.

[ono]

Man Al Gore has all you indoctrinated pretty good doesn't he?


Global Warming is a hoax it's something stirred up to get people to watch the news, read the newspaper/internet, watch certain movies (Inconvenient Truth, The Happening, The Day After Tomorrow, etc), sell products (curly q light bulbs with MERCURY in them, Carbon Offsets, etc), and vote Democrat.

Do you know why I am so set in my belief that it's a hoax? Because everything else pushed this hard and forced on the public was a hoax: Global Cooling, Running out of Natural Resources, Y2K, Swine Flu, all of them. The fact that newspapers and tv news programs are dying out have made them step up the rhetoric and scare tactics.

Call me crazy but I figure the Milankovitch Cycles and Orbital Forcing have a greater effect on climate than the CO2 released by humans.

So Global Warming is something Blinding edge Pictures have come up with as a publicity stunt to get me to watch The Happening?

What next? Is the supposed existence of Dinoasaurs a hoax, just to get us to watch Jurassic Park?

Damn Hollywood.

Swine Flu isn't a hoax. Sure just as many people have probably died from crossing a road or from having a peanut allergy, but to call it a hoax is very strange.

What i don't get though Lyle, is how you claim everything that the media push down our throats is a hoax, yet you've absolutely no problem in stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists.

[El Kabong]

What i don't get though Lyle, is how you claim everything that the media push down our throats is a hoax, yet you've absolutely no problem in stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists.

All muslims aren't terrorists but we can look at recent events and can confirm that most terrorists are muslims

[Andre]

Four separate lines in the water here!


No bites yet.



I've got three hooks set on mine!

[Andre]

What i don't get though Lyle, is how you claim everything that the media push down our throats is a hoax, yet you've absolutely no problem in stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists.

All muslims aren't terrorists but we can look at recent events and can confirm that most terrorists are muslims

Ahh a good bite then a reverse spit out ..

Damm !!

[Kel]

Not got much time but -

As someone has said, to see snow and conclude from that that global warming isn't happening is crazy.

Lyle, the concept and knowledge of global warming/climate change has been around just a little longer than Gore's documentary.

Kel, sure some companies profit from the 'go green' message but the changes that are needed to combat climate change actually represent major challenges to national economys. It would be more in the government's interest to play it down i would say. Instead they are pretty relentless with their messages, ads, articles, papers etc.

I think you know as well as I do that things such as electric cars are capable in most applications of replacing petrol powered cars. We won't see reasonably priced ones until the oil reserve is desperately low because oil makes too much money. It's a brilliant money spinning pile of shit I must admit.

[Kirkland Laing]

In 2004, the Journal of Hydrometeorology published an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center that found “Over the contiguous United States, precipitation, temperature, streamflow, and heavy and very heavy precipitation have increased during the twentieth century.”
They found (here) that over the course of the 20th century, the “Cold season (October through April),” saw a 16% increase in “heavy” precipitation events (roughly greater than 2 inches [when it comes as rain] in one day), and a 25% increase in “very heavy” precipitation events (roughly greater than 4 inches in one day)– and a 36% rise in “extreme” precipitation events (those in the 99.9% percentile — 1 in 1000 events). This rise in extreme precipitation is precisely what is predicted by global warming models in the scientific literature.
In fact, the last few decades have seen rising extreme precipitation over the United States in the historical record, according to NCDC’s Climate Extremes Index (CEI):

An increasing trend in the area experiencing much above-normal proportion of heavy daily precipitation is observed from about 1950 to the present.

Here is a plot of the percentage of this country (times two) with much greater than normal proportion of precipitation derived from extreme 1-day precipitation events (where extreme equals the highest tenth percentile of deluges, click to enlarge):

Didn’t know that our government kept a Climate Extremes Index? Why would you? The media never writes about it.
The U.S. Climate Extremes Index was explicitly created to take a complicated subject (”multivariate and multidimensional climate changes in the United States“) and make it more easily understood by American citizens and policy makers. As far back as 1995, analysis by the National Climatic Data Center showed that over the course of the 20th century, the United States had suffered a statistically significant increase in a variety of extreme weather events, the very ones you would expect from global warming, such as more — and more intense — precipitation. That analysis concluded the chances were only “5 to 10 percent” this increase was due to factors other than global warming, such as “natural climate variability.” And since 1995, the climate has gotten much more extreme.
Even the Bush Administration in its must-read U.S. Climate Change Science Program report, Weather and Climate Extremes in a Changing Climate, acknowledged:

Many extremes and their associated impacts are now changing…. Heavy downpours have become more frequent and intense….
It is well established through formal attribution studies that the global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases.… The increase in heavy precipitation events is associated with an increase in water vapor, and the latter has been attributed to human-induced warming.

And yes, this applies to snow. A 2005 study, coauthored by NCDC, “Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States,” found:

The temporal distribution of snowstorms exhibited wide fluctuations during 1901–2000, with downward 100-yr trends in the lower Midwest, South, and West Coast. Upward trends occurred in the upper Midwest, East, and Northeast, and the national trend for 1901–2000 was upward, corresponding to trends in strong cyclonic activity.

Finally, we have the 2009 government report on U.S. climate impacts, which concluded:

– “Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent.”
– “In winter and spring, northern areas are expected to receive significantly more precipitation than they do now, because the interaction of warm and moist air coming from the south with colder air from the north is projected to occur farther north than it did on average in the last century. The more northward incursions of warmer and moister air masses are expected to be particularly noticeable in northern regions that will change from very cold and dry atmospheric conditions to warmer but moister conditions. Alaska, the Great Plains, the upper Midwest, and the Northeast are beginning to experience such changes for at least part of the year, with the likelihood of these changes increasing over time.”
– “There is also evidence of an increase in the intensity of storms in both the mid- and high- latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, with greater confidence in the increases occurring in high latitudes. The northward shift is projected to continue, and strong cold season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent, with greater wind speeds and more extreme wave heights.”

So it is inane for anyone in the media to cite this massive DC snowstorm as somehow counterintuitive or ironic against the backdrop of Obama’s Copenhagen deal.
In fact, this record-breaking snowstorm is pretty much precisely what climate science predicts. Since one typically can’t make a direct association between any individual weather event and global warming, perhaps the best approach is to borrow and modify a term from the scientific literature and call this a “global-warming-type” deluge — see Must-have PPT: The “global-change-type drought” and the future of extreme weather.
If you are a journalist wondering what is a reasonable way to talk about this, one of the best recent examples comes from a New York Times story on Australia made possible by our friend Andrew Revkin:

The firestorms and heat in the south revived discussions in Australia of whether human-caused global warming was contributing to the continent’s climate woes of late — including recent prolonged drought in some places and severe flooding last week in Queensland, in the northeast.
Climate scientists say that no single rare event like the deadly heat wave or fires can be attributed to global warming, but the chances of experiencing such conditions are rising along with the temperature. In 2007, Australia’s national science agency published a 147-page report on projected climate changes, concluding, among other things, that “high-fire-danger weather is likely to increase in the southeast.”
The flooding in the northeast and the combustible conditions in the south were consistent with what is forecast as a result of recent shifts in climate patterns linked to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases, said Kevin Trenberth, a scientist at the United States National Center for Atmospheric Research.

That’s how it is done.
And no, I’m not say that the media should link every extreme weather event the way Revkin did. But when we have “worst on record” type events, or 100-year floods — and especially ones that last more than a day and/or hit a broad area — then I think the reporter has an obligation to include the issue.
Finally, I would note that if we stay on our current emissions path as outlined in the 2009 impacts report — see Our hellish future: Definitive NOAA-led report on U.S. climate impacts warns of scorching 9 to 11°F warming over most of inland U.S. by 2090 with Kansas above 90°F some 120 days a year — and that isn’t the worst case, it’s business as usual! – then indeed these storms will become incredibly rare in the East-Central part of the country, and the lyrics of the classic song will ring all-too-true:

I’m dreaming of a white Christmas Just like the ones I used to know.

[El Kabong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5BRkHSHyCc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGoZ-b1OaW4

The media has been VERY VERY VERY wrong before...Y2K, The Population Bomb, Secondhand Smoke....I mean come on guys what more must I put out there? "Oh but Global Warming is different"...."WOLF, WOLF, WOLF, WOLF!!!!!"...are you getting the picture??

[Andre]

What was the population bomb? I musn't have caught that one.

I thought the y2k was a maybe,
just a glitch in computers world wide nothing drastic they just didnt know if they'd work or not.

Second hand smoke? As in cigarette smoke is dangerous to young lungs in a confined area.The smoke that comes off the tip of the ciggy isnt filtered at all.

Have another shot these are three old lures you have dragged back we arent hooking them up they are crap.

[ono]

What i don't get though Lyle, is how you claim everything that the media push down our throats is a hoax, yet you've absolutely no problem in stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists.

All muslims aren't terrorists but we can look at recent events and can confirm that most terrorists are muslims

Actually Lyle look at Europoll's recent terrorist statistics and revise your comment, because what you're saying is false, idiotic and quite offensive.

Actually what you mean, is that most of the plotted terror attacks you hear about on the news, are related to Muslims.

[El Kabong]

What was the population bomb? I musn't have caught that one.

It was big in the 1970's...the idea was that soon there would be too many humans for Earth to support any life at all.


Ono, seriously 9/11, Mumbai, The Lockerbie Flight bombing, The previous World Trade Center Attacks, The USS Cole, The underpants bomber, the shoe bomber, the England bus bombers, numerous assasinations: Sadat, Benazir Bhuto, etc.

.....hey ono, just let me know how being offended works out for you...I mean if it gets you anywhere

[ono]

What was the population bomb? I musn't have caught that one.

It was big in the 1970's...the idea was that soon there would be too many humans for Earth to support any life at all.


Ono, seriously 9/11, Mumbai, The Lockerbie Flight bombing, The previous World Trade Center Attacks, The USS Cole, The underpants bomber, the shoe bomber, the England bus bombers, numerous assasinations: Sadat, Benazir Bhuto, etc.

.....hey ono, just let me know how being offended works out for you...I mean if it gets you anywhere

Ok, how about....

The KKK
The IRA
ETA
Concerned Christians
Oklahoma City Bombing
Centinnial Olympic Park Bombings
Beltway Sniper
David Copeland Nail Bomb Attacks


I could go on....

In fact in 2007, out of the 583 planned acts of terror in Europe, only 4 had any links to Muslims. In 2006, that figure was just 1 out of 498.

The majority of Islamic terror attacks have been conducted in Muslim countries - namely Iraq and Afghanistan surprisingly , so for you to be suspicious of Muslims who you encounter in the US, is a little bit strange.

And i wasn't offended. I said it was offensive, and it's incorrect.

[X]

[quote=Lyle;833830 but we can look at recent events and can confirm that most terrorists are muslims[/quote]

No mate, only the ones attacking us and getting into our newspapers.

Don't hear much about Shining Path, Maoists, Christians lynching people in southern Thailand, Hindus killing muslims in India.

We're not the whole world you know.

[El Kabong]

Ok, how about....

The KKK
The IRA
ETA
Concerned Christians
Oklahoma City Bombing
Centinnial Olympic Park Bombings
Beltway Sniper
David Copeland Nail Bomb Attacks


I could go on....

In fact in 2007, out of the 583 planned acts of terror in Europe, only 4 had any links to Muslims. In 2006, that figure was just 1 out of 498.

The majority of Islamic terror attacks have been conducted in Muslim countries - namely Iraq and Afghanistan surprisingly , so for you to be suspicious of Muslims who you encounter in the US, is a little bit strange.

And i wasn't offended. I said it was offensive, and it's incorrect.

....the Beltway sniper was a muslim.

I'm not saying there's no such thing as a nonmuslim terrorist but come on, look at the size and scope of the events happening right now.....the KKK and IRA?!?!?! What have they done recently? There were 2 eras of the KKK where they were the top terror group #1 Post Civil War for Political purposes they tried to get the Republicans out of the South because ALL of the Southern Aristocracy that had supported the CSA were disenfranchised and #2 During the 1920's-1960's they were trying to keep integration from happening and basically being race bullies. I haven't heard of anything recently that the IRA has done.

I don't understand what is to be offended by when I say that a lot of terrorists or even a majority of terrorists are radical muslim? Unless you want to be PC and just lump in equal parts of everyone.....I would say that after Muslims, Radical Christians are up there as well, but they aren't near as big or do as much damage as the radical muslims.