AL Bernstein - Team Mayweather's....

[KananKrus]

Al Bernstein www.boxingtalk - "One of the most astonishing things to me is that.. (Manny Pacquiao’s success as he moved up in weight has been fueled mostly by a change in style and tactics rather than added strength) ...keeps getting ignored by the folks who somehow believe that all of a sudden it’s reasonable to assume that Pacquiao above all other boxers needs a special set of testing rules to participate in a big fight".

"People who are supposed to know boxing are throwing out this most obvious truth in their argument that Team Mayweather’s smear campaign on Pacquiao is OK".


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[KananKrus]

Al Bernstein's insight on this ongoing drama will probably upset if not infuriate a good number of the most well-respected posters here at Saddo - this for taking a different view from the standard "Pacquiao-demolition/smear" that we have now grown accustomed to here at Saddo's.

Awkward moment for them... but hey, this is still an excellent piece of journalism. A RESPONSIBLE variety for a change!

I am sure a barrage of "creativity" in calling Al Bernstein names, and the accompanying standard personal attacks from the well-respected group, (never mind a sound refutation of his points), will negate whatever wisdom his write-up unfolded in the eyes of most of us here at Saddo's.

[Andre]

Al Bernstein's insight on this ongoing drama will probably upset if not infuriate a good number of the most well-respected posters here at Saddo - this for taking a different view from the standard "Pacquiao-demolition/smear" that we have now grown accustomed to here at Saddo's.

Awkward moment for them... but hey, this is still an excellent piece of journalism. A RESPONSIBLE variety for a change!

I am sure a barrage of "creativity" in calling Al Bernstein names, and the accompanying standard personal attacks from the well-respected group, (never mind a sound refutation of his points), will negate whatever wisdom his write-up unfolded in the eyes of most of us here at Saddo's.

Thing is Im as impartial as they come, but Im not stupid either.
I dont care who wins. I know boxing will get over them and go on. I know people have short memories once they get re- excited.

Good on Al he is here for the sport no #1 thats his job.

Its about time someone started to try and put the pieces of the boxing world back together again ,to do that you have to try and balance out and then mend both sides and Mannys side of this is looking more broken on a fan and public point of view.So its a good start to get the fans who have been put off, buying back into this.

Manny Pac is the pinnacle of boxings bubble and someone has popped him with a needle; hang on, no they didnt. It was a threat and yet the bubble still burst.


Kanankrus: What would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

What would you be honestly be thinking in his shoes if you were innocent?

Thats the question I always ask myself;

#1

I would of said yeah no problem but in the closer weeks leading up to the fight we take the tests together or on a video link up, you need the tests more than I do Floyd have they got one for that numbing stuff you use too?.

#2

I would also think : you know what, a blood test isnt the same volume as giving blood, it doesnt really weaken you for anymore than a miniute or two when you give a pint of the stuff everyone in the world knows that for a fact.
That excuse is really going to look lame to the world. Fuk it, I'll take one and see if Mayboy finds another excuse to ditch this fight.

2 b,

Gee this is worth Millions,my God Im the best there is, I'll beat him anyway!

2 C,

"yeah I'll do it no problem ,I'll do it and you're going to do it with me Floyd, youre doing the blood tests with ME Floyd, same time everyone of them, and you're doing the fight, the whole nine yards.I would even say to him, " I bet you feign an illness Floyd and call it off in the last minute. "


#3
If the talks still broke down, I would be in front of a set of cameras of my own and do a lie detector test publicly to prove myself correct and the other team as the fabricators.

[KananKrus]

Sorry Andre... you sound upset.

[Andre]

Im not upset at all mate.

Honestly I havent a side in this at all.

Boxing will live on.


I know what your saying; but its how you've said it.."they" will pour in here and take it the same way, I read it.

[Andre]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

[KananKrus]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

If I were in Manny's shoes, to the best of whatever resources I have, I will not allow Floyd to one me up, that's all.

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground, in wait for an expected first blow. If there is then a strike, will counter attack like there is no tomorrow.

You see, for the Maginoos, there is but little use for words, action is more the language for them who consider themselves, serious people.

The Maginoos are from the olden days, only a few share those views in the present day. However, I suspect, Manny Pac sees himself as one.

[Chino]

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground

...which is something Pac didn't do. Instead, he came up with a bunch of silly contradicting excuses. So I don't think Pac is a maginoo (gentleman, for those who don't know) or as you describe him to be. The way he has taken care of this drama simply raises eyebrows and makes him look shady.

[Themantonio]

Im also asking a serious question:

What would you really be thinking and what would you do if you were in Mannys shoes?

Its a good exercise.

If I were in Manny's shoes, to the best of whatever resources I have, I will not allow Floyd to one me up, that's all.

The Maginoo way, a Filipino trait, when threatened or affronted, will never allow a mudslinging affair to ensue especially if for petty reasons. He will instead choose to suffer in silence but stand his ground, in wait for an expected first blow. If there is then a strike, will counter attack like there is no tomorrow.

You see, for the Maginoos, there is but little use for words, action is more the language for them who consider themselves, serious people.

The Maginoos are from the olden days, only a few share those views in the present day. However, I suspect, Manny Pac sees himself as one.

I get ya first point bout standing ya ground and all that and how filipino's are very proud. I get that, and I respect that man... To an extent I agree, y let a punk like Floyd dictate what I do to get him considering I am the #1 P4P king...

BUT just to rebuttle your point, if actions speak louder than words then y doesn't Manny jus take the tests coz his "actions" right now further condemn him and as you say the poor guy "suffers in silence"...

Actions do speak louder than words and making the first statement would be to probably just take the tests for the sake of $40mil, and for a chance to get his hands on Mayweather, then with even louder actions, give Mayweather a hiding!!!

[KananKrus]

What is the proper way nowadays... Is it not through the courts, via a lawsuit? That is, if you believe in the justice system.

Allowing himself to undergo an "out of the ordinary" blood test is allowing team Mayweather an upmanship which is unwarranted in this case, for Pac views himself as not the lesser star, and certainly without the need to further prove himself for the "Floyd benefit".

Read on the Al Bernstein write up, there are more answers there on his interpretations than I can meagerly equal as a response to future questions. Remeber tho' there are two sides to this equation, let us not just railroad anything like nothing.

Let us not be upset, nor allow ourselves be infuriated by all these.

Read up Chino, Bernstein's got some good angles, Man. He is with us here every now and then with feature write-ups for our everyday struggles for answers to the mind boggling perpexity as the sport of boxing is.

Less aggression, and allow for objectivity.

Satisfaction out of bashing and ridiculing the other poster's view? That is naughty....

Sorry too lengthy now...

[Gandalf]

If I was in that situation, I would have agreed to the tests immediately. Why?

I am clean, I have nothing to hide. As the best boxer in the world, I have full confidence in my abilities to get the job done. It's a huge payday, I get the opportunity to cement my legacy. Furthermore, I have the chance to please the entire boxing community and also get the general public interested in boxing again.

To turn down a blood test because I don't want my opponent to win the mental games is really a rather pathetic and sorry excuse.

[TheBranMan]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

[miron_lang]

Al Bernstein's insight on this ongoing drama will probably upset if not infuriate a good number of the most well-respected posters here at Saddo - this for taking a different view from the standard "Pacquiao-demolition/smear" that we have now grown accustomed to here at Saddo's.

Awkward moment for them... but hey, this is still an excellent piece of journalism. A RESPONSIBLE variety for a change!

I am sure a barrage of "creativity" in calling Al Bernstein names, and the accompanying standard personal attacks from the well-respected group, (never mind a sound refutation of his points), will negate whatever wisdom his write-up unfolded in the eyes of most of us here at Saddo's.

I hope some of the upcoming threads would be about Pac-Clottey or Floyd-TBA.

[fan johnny]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

[killersheep]

I don't believe that he, above all other boxers, needs a special set of rules to compete. I believe all championship bouts should embrace more conclusive types of testing. This kind of thing happening for such a large-scale fight is helping the sport progress.

Whether you agree or disagree with the obviously suspicious facts concerning Pacquiao's weight and his camp, Floyd's request only highlighted a fatal flaw in the sport that we love. Lets do something about it.

Why? Is a fighter's safety less important in his first bout than it is when he finally reaches a championship bout? Would it be logical to suspect usage of a substance that enhances or has the potential to enhance performance when a fighter is starting out or when he's has reached his goal? Violating rules in the spirit of competition doesn't change because there is a title at stake. So why would you limit testing to championship bouts? Your suggestion doesn't meet the criteria that bans substances.

Too many people have knee jerk reactions to this whole subject and don't give it enough thought or weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. In general we make rules for people that follow the rules. People that break the rules don't care because they are not bound by them. Rush judgments to fix problems usually cause more problems than they solve.

Al Bernstein is spot on about primary subject. Floyd's team screwed up bigtime otherwise we'd be discussing whose going to win and why.

The reason it can't be done at all levels is simple............money.

Having the testing at the championship level is a good starting place, and it's the place that most boxers strive for, so they know once they get to that level they must be clean, therefore, it has an effect of creating incentive to train clean rather than train dirty.