Could prime Foreman have beaten Wladimir?

[El Kabong]

wlad is not and never will be an atg i do not think it's fair to compare him to one. every atg beats him.

While I agree that it's kind of tough to compare him to the All-Time greats, I don't think we should slam the door shut on the chance he may be able to sneak in there 53(47 KO)-3 at 33 years old isn't a horrible record in any era, and it's not like he has ducked anyone and you can't blame him for a weak era.

I think there are a fair number of Good maybe Great Heavyweights Wlad would hold his own with and some he would definently beat.

[jon09]

Foreman is a master chess player in the ring who later on had patients and 1 helluva punch to knockout anyone. Vlad has very good skills that have developed more and more under Manny's expertise. I think the 1988 to 1997 Foreman would have walked down Vlad eaten alot of jabs and a few right hands but would have eventually caught Vlad and taken him out. Now the younger version before Ali's devastating loss would have showed no fear and probably would have mowed him down like Corrie Sanders did. I'm going with both versions of George Foreman's by ko.

[El Kabong]

I don't think #1 Old Foreman had the defense to handle Wladimir and #2 Wlad ain't stupid, he wouldn't gas out or stand right infront of Big George....you people mention how cautious he is now, you don't think he'd be able to stick and move for 12 vs Old Foreman?

While I agree Young Foreman more than likely would have KO'd Wlad you can't compare Foreman to Corrie Sanders they are two totally different fighters and Wlad is a different fighter now.

Just who the hell do you guys think Wlad could beat? Jerry Quarry maybe? Primo Carnera? Archie Moore? Bob Foster?....I mean you guys call the hypothetical matchup between Wlad and Foreman "ridiculous" but you still see Old Foreman not just beating but KO-ing Wlad?!?! If Shannon Briggs can survive (not saying he won the fight because he got a gift) but if he can last the distance without an "asthma attack" then so could Wlad....if Tommy Morrison could outbox Old Foreman then so could Wlad.

[generalbulldog]

Yes to the question. It's as if the OP is making it out that prime Foreman has no chance.

Might as well start a thread that asks, "Can a Prime Ali beat Wlad?"

[El Kabong]

Yes to the question. It's as if the OP is making it out that prime Foreman has no chance.

Might as well start a thread that asks, "Can a Prime Ali beat Wlad?"

Ali had his fair share of troubles vs not so great fighters so once again it's not implausable (albeit very unlikely) for Wlad to have beaten Ali.

[Kel]

Eight times out of ten he would win by knockout. That's the way I think about it.

[rosco]

the prime foreman would have walked thru wladimir,,no contest..one good shot by foreman and its all over...he would be shivering with fright before the fight began..I would put this fight in the same class as foreman vs norton

[Nameless]

Honestly, I think George could win but I would give the edge to Wlad. His chin is suspect, sure, but he showed he can get up from a knock down as well, it's not like if he was only about paper mache neither. I would give him the edge in speed and movement and his deadly stinging jab would most definitely hurt Foreman but the guy can hit like a bull and in that respect, he would have a chance. Still, as far as I am concerned, ODD to Wlad.

[X]

Wlad is a big, strong, well conditioned guy with good technique ..... but he fights the same way all the time and his punch resistance is very poor.

I think that Wlad would have outpointed the old, fat George ..... just pumped out the jab for 12 rounds and kept George off balance with a few straight rights to keep his guessing.

Young Foreman is a different matter altogether, a big, strong bully with a truly vicious temperament. Young Foreman would have jumped on Wlad from the first bell, he would have the centre of the ring and he would be pushing Wlad backwards. Young Foreman was a monstrous hitter, he could hit your arms and damage them!

IMO .... Young Prime Foreman ambushes Wlad from the very first bell, I see a Frazier type fight here but I'm not sure Wlad would get up as many times as Smokin Joe did.

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think #1 Old Foreman had the defense to handle Wladimir and #2 Wlad ain't stupid, he wouldn't gas out or stand right infront of Big George....you people mention how cautious he is now, you don't think he'd be able to stick and move for 12 vs Old Foreman?

While I agree Young Foreman more than likely would have KO'd Wlad you can't compare Foreman to Corrie Sanders they are two totally different fighters and Wlad is a different fighter now.

Just who the hell do you guys think Wlad could beat? Jerry Quarry maybe? Primo Carnera? Archie Moore? Bob Foster?....I mean you guys call the hypothetical matchup between Wlad and Foreman "ridiculous" but you still see Old Foreman not just beating but KO-ing Wlad?!?! If Shannon Briggs can survive (not saying he won the fight because he got a gift) but if he can last the distance without an "asthma attack" then so could Wlad....if Tommy Morrison could outbox Old Foreman then so could Wlad.

I agree, if Wlad could stay 100% strict with himself for the full 12 rounds he would decision Old Foreman. Moorer was outboxing him until he tried to get slightly macho. Holyfield let himself get dragged into a war that he should not have done and Morrison who I always found to be a great watch due to his brawling type style although he lacked in certain other skills, knew if he stayed away from Foremans power and he could win a decision.

[rjj tszyu]

Wlad is a big, strong, well conditioned guy with good technique ..... but he fights the same way all the time and his punch resistance is very poor.

I think that Wlad would have outpointed the old, fat George ..... just pumped out the jab for 12 rounds and kept George off balance with a few straight rights to keep his guessing.

Young Foreman is a different matter altogether, a big, strong bully with a truly vicious temperament. Young Foreman would have jumped on Wlad from the first bell, he would have the centre of the ring and he would be pushing Wlad backwards. Young Foreman was a monstrous hitter, he could hit your arms and damage them!

IMO .... Young Prime Foreman ambushes Wlad from the very first bell, I see a Frazier type fight here but I'm not sure Wlad would get up as many times as Smokin Joe did.

No-one in the history of the HW division had the heart of "Smokin Joe" IMO. If it wasn't for the fights being stopped he'd of just kept getting up until he was either clean unconcious or dead!

[eagleskins]

Wlad would have destroyed Foreman. It is ridiculous that people try to deny the HW division when a white, non American owns it. Tyson fought in the weakest HW era of all time, and never beat a decent fighter, let alone a good fighter. The good fighters he fought KHTFO. Foreman would have no idea how to deal with a bigger, faster guy than him. Wlad with a KO in 8.

[BIG H]

Wlad would have destroyed Foreman. It is ridiculous that people try to deny the HW division when a white, non American owns it. Tyson fought in the weakest HW era of all time, and never beat a decent fighter, let alone a good fighter. The good fighters he fought KHTFO. Foreman would have no idea how to deal with a bigger, faster guy than him. Wlad with a KO in 8.

You think Tyson fought in a weaker heavyweight division than Wlad

[eagleskins]

Wlad would have destroyed Foreman. It is ridiculous that people try to deny the HW division when a white, non American owns it. Tyson fought in the weakest HW era of all time, and never beat a decent fighter, let alone a good fighter. The good fighters he fought KHTFO. Foreman would have no idea how to deal with a bigger, faster guy than him. Wlad with a KO in 8.

You think Tyson fought in a weaker heavyweight division than Wlad

Yes. The late 80's were an absolute joke. When white fighters absolutely own the divsion it must be weak, right? Both Klitschko's would destroy Tyson without breaking a sweat. Tyson was lucky he never fought Bowe. We all saw what the only 2 good fighters he ever fought did to him.

[ICB]

Wlad would have destroyed Foreman. It is ridiculous that people try to deny the HW division when a white, non American owns it. Tyson fought in the weakest HW era of all time, and never beat a decent fighter, let alone a good fighter. The good fighters he fought KHTFO. Foreman would have no idea how to deal with a bigger, faster guy than him. Wlad with a KO in 8.

Terrible post.