Katsidis vs Guerrero

[Snakey]

No, he's not, he's an exciting fighter with a lot of heart, but Khan is too good for him & wouldn't fall into his trap of brawling. It would be a one-sided beatdown that would go on too long because of Kats' great heart & most people outside of Australia know it, hence why no one else wants to discuss it as a fight.

Khan demands money because he's a huge star in the UK. It's that simple. The reason HBO want a piece of him is because of how marketable he is, why do you think they don't give a fuck about Bradley, are fairly indifferent about Alexander, but are all over Ortiz & Khan despite their losses? Because they're charismatic, marketable young fighters, the other two aren't.

Khan is over rated mate, he hasnt fought anyone. Katsidis is more proven then what Khan is. Khan should fight Kats because he is dangerous to anyone, he will keep coming no matter what. He will put pressure on him all night and we will see if Khan can handle that risk of being knocked out in any round.

ummm Khan has actually won a title and is most likely gonna be fighting the guy who whooped that last 2 guys to kick Katsidis ass, so Khan/Katsidis really is a pointless fight, and if you know me you should know damn well im no Khan fan

Yeah but didnt Katsidis hold the WBO title at one point. Title or no title it doesnt change the fact Khan has not faced a heavy puncher since he got knocked the fuck out where Katsidis will fight anyone put in front of him. Wasnt Casamayor meant to flog katsidis in a couple of rounds? Yet Katsidis got up off the canvas to nearly stop him, it was only his inexperience that lost the fight to casa. I think Khan would crack under the relentless pressure of Katsidis, hes not floyd mayweather. Khan fights scared when he thinks hes in trouble and hed have many of those moments again katsidis.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Khan is over rated mate, he hasnt fought anyone. Katsidis is more proven then what Khan is. Khan should fight Kats because he is dangerous to anyone, he will keep coming no matter what. He will put pressure on him all night and we will see if Khan can handle that risk of being knocked out in any round.

ummm Khan has actually won a title and is most likely gonna be fighting the guy who whooped that last 2 guys to kick Katsidis ass, so Khan/Katsidis really is a pointless fight, and if you know me you should know damn well im no Khan fan

Yeah but didnt Katsidis hold the WBO title at one point. Title or no title it doesnt change the fact Khan has not faced a heavy puncher since he got knocked the fuck out where Katsidis will fight anyone put in front of him. Wasnt Casamayor meant to flog katsidis in a couple of rounds? Yet Katsidis got up off the canvas to nearly stop him, it was only his inexperience that lost the fight to casa. I think Khan would crack under the relentless pressure of Katsidis, hes not floyd mayweather. Khan fights scared when he thinks hes in trouble and hed have many of those moments again katsidis.

he's taking on a guy who's a lot more dangerous than Katsidis in Marquez, give the guy a break, if Katsidis wants the fight he should rematch Diaz and then move up to 140

[eagle]

Both Katsidis and Khan are bein overated in this thread.

Katsidis is very much in the Gatti mould. By no means a real world class boxer but good enough to win an alphabet title and be a constant contender. He gets hit too often to be elite and has big cut problems. Any elite fighter will have a rough night with him but will nearly always win the fight.

Khan has great skill and speed, far more potential than Kats, but of course there is that chin that could let him down at any moment. I think the hate aimed at him is due to the un earnt hype surrounding him so far, but thats boxing these days. he really hasnt faced a big threat yet, but on his day probably has the goods to beat a lot of top fighters. Until he does tho i think he will be seen as overhyped

Even tho im a big Katsidis fan, and not real keen on Khan i think in all honesty Khan would beat him 8 outta 10 times, Michael would have a punchers chance. I think we know how good Katsidis is and what his level is, the jury is still out on Khan.

[Snakey]

ummm Khan has actually won a title and is most likely gonna be fighting the guy who whooped that last 2 guys to kick Katsidis ass, so Khan/Katsidis really is a pointless fight, and if you know me you should know damn well im no Khan fan

Yeah but didnt Katsidis hold the WBO title at one point. Title or no title it doesnt change the fact Khan has not faced a heavy puncher since he got knocked the fuck out where Katsidis will fight anyone put in front of him. Wasnt Casamayor meant to flog katsidis in a couple of rounds? Yet Katsidis got up off the canvas to nearly stop him, it was only his inexperience that lost the fight to casa. I think Khan would crack under the relentless pressure of Katsidis, hes not floyd mayweather. Khan fights scared when he thinks hes in trouble and hed have many of those moments again katsidis.

he's taking on a guy who's a lot more dangerous than Katsidis in Marquez, give the guy a break, if Katsidis wants the fight he should rematch Diaz and then move up to 140

Fine ill give you that hes fighting marquez but since when has marquez been a massive puncher at this weight? You know why Roach is letting this fight happen? Coz hes willing to bet that even though JMM has great skill, hes probably not going to have the one punch knockout power. So even if Khan loses it wont look that bad because he lost a future hall of famer and also if JMM doesnt have that power and it goes the distance and Khan loses then Roach will be able to say "it was a robbery".

The way everyone talks about Khan is just rediculous, he is nothing to anyone at the moment. Fuck all people in australia have any idea who he is and id say its quite the same in the united states. He is not a name outside of the UK, the name in this fight is JMM, he is not a star and hes a nothing at the moment. Personally I dont even think he deserves to be in the same arena let alone the same ring as JMM considering he has done nothing to deserve it.

Hope JMM knocks his head into the 5th row.

[OumaFan]

Nobody knows who either guy is here. NOBODY. Except for serious boxing fans and boxing's just a niche sport here. So yeah technically nobody isn't right but its not far off. Their are probably more people in Britain right now who think Winston Churchill is a fictional character than there are people in American who know who these guys are. Seriously. Other than that I really have nothing to add.

[Snakey]

Nobody knows who either guy is here. NOBODY. Except for serious boxing fans and boxing's just a niche sport here. So yeah technically nobody isn't right but its not far off. Their are probably more people in Britain right now who think Winston Churchill is a fictional character than there are people in American who know who these guys are. Seriously. Other than that I really have nothing to add.

Well its funny with Australia, some of our best boxers could be standing right in front of someone and no one knows who they are. Vic Darchinyan is not known by anyone in australia yet hes one the best to come for australia since Kostya Tszyu yet Anthony Mundine and Danny Green are known. There was once an article in the aus papers that talked to vic and katsidis and they both agreed they get more people stopping them in the street in the US then in australia. Thats one thing that really sucks about this country, theres very little true boxing fans...theres general fight fans who love watching guys knock each other out but not many who are genuine fans of the sport.

[Majesty]

You don't think Katsidis is a dangerous opponent for Khan? I say he KO's Khan inside 5 and they know it! Where does Khan come off demanding wad loads of money anyhow? He has a lot to prove before he gets a wad of anything.

No, he's not, he's an exciting fighter with a lot of heart, but Khan is too good for him & wouldn't fall into his trap of brawling. It would be a one-sided beatdown that would go on too long because of Kats' great heart & most people outside of Australia know it, hence why no one else wants to discuss it as a fight.

Khan demands money because he's a huge star in the UK. It's that simple. The reason HBO want a piece of him is because of how marketable he is, why do you think they don't give a fuck about Bradley, are fairly indifferent about Alexander, but are all over Ortiz & Khan despite their losses? Because they're charismatic, marketable young fighters, the other two aren't.

Khan is over rated mate, he hasnt fought anyone. Katsidis is more proven then what Khan is. Khan should fight Kats because he is dangerous to anyone, he will keep coming no matter what. He will put pressure on him all night and we will see if Khan can handle that risk of being knocked out in any round.

I don't think Katsitis is more proven. He has proven that when he steps up he loses. If he fought Khan and loss it would just confirm the prior notion and there's be nothing to credit Khan for.

And in boxing it truly doesnt matter who you fight nowadays it matters the name you have and how much money and gate you generate. Khan fighting Marquez is the smartest business decision he can make. Khan could fight 5 hard fights at his weight class no one had heard of and be just no more credited or recognizable, but if he beats Marquez he has Barerra and Marquez on his resume, regardless on how he got it, and thats what the casual fan will look at and it will give them someone to watch stateside. Khan has to accomplish that before he has "hard fights" there's no point in having a hard fight and losing your prime before anyone outside of your country "knows" your name. We've seen it before, a fighter will have a spectacular prime elsewhere and a lot of non casual diehards will get behind them but they will remain relatively unknown to the casual fan, then the moment of truth comes and then when they finally come to national TV they are past it and don't look the same. Khan is doing the smart thing right now.

[rjj tszyu]

Shit I voted Guerrero KO but I meant pts W. Although Katsidis' none stop pressure may eventually catch upto the smaller man and a KO win for Michael is more than a possibility.

[Snakey]

No, he's not, he's an exciting fighter with a lot of heart, but Khan is too good for him & wouldn't fall into his trap of brawling. It would be a one-sided beatdown that would go on too long because of Kats' great heart & most people outside of Australia know it, hence why no one else wants to discuss it as a fight.

Khan demands money because he's a huge star in the UK. It's that simple. The reason HBO want a piece of him is because of how marketable he is, why do you think they don't give a fuck about Bradley, are fairly indifferent about Alexander, but are all over Ortiz & Khan despite their losses? Because they're charismatic, marketable young fighters, the other two aren't.

Khan is over rated mate, he hasnt fought anyone. Katsidis is more proven then what Khan is. Khan should fight Kats because he is dangerous to anyone, he will keep coming no matter what. He will put pressure on him all night and we will see if Khan can handle that risk of being knocked out in any round.

I don't think Katsitis is more proven. He has proven that when he steps up he loses. If he fought Khan and loss it would just confirm the prior notion and there's be nothing to credit Khan for.

And in boxing it truly doesnt matter who you fight nowadays it matters the name you have and how much money and gate you generate. Khan fighting Marquez is the smartest business decision he can make. Khan could fight 5 hard fights at his weight class no one had heard of and be just no more credited or recognizable, but if he beats Marquez he has Barerra and Marquez on his resume, regardless on how he got it, and thats what the casual fan will look at and it will give them someone to watch stateside. Khan has to accomplish that before he has "hard fights" there's no point in having a hard fight and losing your prime before anyone outside of your country "knows" your name. We've seen it before, a fighter will have a spectacular prime elsewhere and a lot of non casual diehards will get behind them but they will remain relatively unknown to the casual fan, then the moment of truth comes and then when they finally come to national TV they are past it and don't look the same. Khan is doing the smart thing right now.

Well id say Khan is in the same boat, when he stepped up to Prescott he was knocked out brutally. Id say Katsidis level of competition is better and Khans reputation will depend on his fight with JMM as I dont think he has stepped up since Prescott.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Yeah but didnt Katsidis hold the WBO title at one point. Title or no title it doesnt change the fact Khan has not faced a heavy puncher since he got knocked the fuck out where Katsidis will fight anyone put in front of him. Wasnt Casamayor meant to flog katsidis in a couple of rounds? Yet Katsidis got up off the canvas to nearly stop him, it was only his inexperience that lost the fight to casa. I think Khan would crack under the relentless pressure of Katsidis, hes not floyd mayweather. Khan fights scared when he thinks hes in trouble and hed have many of those moments again katsidis.

he's taking on a guy who's a lot more dangerous than Katsidis in Marquez, give the guy a break, if Katsidis wants the fight he should rematch Diaz and then move up to 140

Fine ill give you that hes fighting marquez but since when has marquez been a massive puncher at this weight? You know why Roach is letting this fight happen? Coz hes willing to bet that even though JMM has great skill, hes probably not going to have the one punch knockout power. So even if Khan loses it wont look that bad because he lost a future hall of famer and also if JMM doesnt have that power and it goes the distance and Khan loses then Roach will be able to say "it was a robbery".

The way everyone talks about Khan is just rediculous, he is nothing to anyone at the moment. Fuck all people in australia have any idea who he is and id say its quite the same in the united states. He is not a name outside of the UK, the name in this fight is JMM, he is not a star and hes a nothing at the moment. Personally I dont even think he deserves to be in the same arena let alone the same ring as JMM considering he has done nothing to deserve it.

Hope JMM knocks his head into the 5th row.

hell i remember in another thread (i think it was the one saying that Green/Hopkins was off), that you said that Hopkins isn't even known in Australia, if that's the case then there's some real big probs over there if the people who "love" the sport don't know one of the biggest names to come out of it in the last 20 yrs, like it or not (i'm actually pretty indifferent) Khan is a big name, has he done anything to deserve it? no not really, but the kid knows how to sell a fight and basically brings people in, his name is thrown around alot on US broadcasts and articles from American writer's, and a loss to Marquez wouldn't look as bad as a loss to Katsidis because Marquez is a far superior opponent than Katsidis

[UKPH]

I read some Aussie boxing scribe Katsidis is willing to fight Mundine a (160 lb der) an all aussie showdown.

Katsidis and his team just getting impatient wants a big name waiting like Hatton, Marquez and Pacquiao just wasting time and talent.

I think if he and his team want solid names, he must go for Valero (135) then Maidana/Ortiz/Khan or then go with Alexander and Bradley (140).

[ElTerribleMorales]

I read some Aussie boxing scribe Katsidis is willing to fight Mundine a (160 lb der) an all aussie showdown.

Katsidis and his team just getting impatient wants a big name waiting like Hatton, Marquez and Pacquiao just wasting time and talent.

I think if he and his team want solid names, he must go for Valero (135) then Maidana/Ortiz/Khan or then go with Alexander and Bradley (140).

there are plenty of big names at 135, Guerrero, Soto, Valero, Guzman, Funeka, a rematch with Diaz, Marquez if he goes back down, hell even can take on Mitchell in the UK

[Rantcatrat]

I was critical of Guerrero when he punked out of his fight with Yordan (speaking of Yordan, what has he been up to?). At the time, I felt Yordan really surprised Guerrero and Guererro quit because he knew he was in for a long night especially with the cut. In his next fight out, however, Guerrero looked impressive against the South African, which surprised me somewhat. Katsidis in turn looked very good against his last opponent. It'll be a good action fight which Guerrero should win.

[JonnyFolds]

Everyone here give Katsidis a lot of credit comparing him to Gatti. He has similar punch resistance, the ability to get off the canvas and change a fight, and maybe an overwhelming fighter in most regards. Most people on here remember the Gatti that was outclassed by Mayweather (as a 6:1 underdog or more I'm sure). The real Gatti was a much more proven fighter at lightweight and a most assured Hall of Famer for his compelling Super Featherweight reign.

Katsidis has a LOT of work to do. Don't get me wrong... I'm not missing any of HIS fights either.

[Mar]

I think roach and his people are doing the right thing. No one including khan himself really know where to place khan right now. A lot of the talk surrounding the guy is coming from media and fans who aren't looking at the kid as a whole. Instead for whatever reason are just quick to see the kid loose. He should be stepped up gradually, the guy was a prospect just a short time ago. He shouldn't be taking the toughest fight out there yet. He should fight decent comp and move up in comp with each fight. Anyhow to stay on topic i'd take katsidis to beat guerrero and both of these guys to beat khan. But who cares they should, khan's not at thier level yet.