Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

Excellent post, mate.

When people speak of Ali's greatness, they barely even brought up that draft dodging incident. If Manny is never proven to have used drugs/PEDs, several years from now he will be considered a legend with that allegation just being a footnote in his career. People might even forget about it.

And yes, Manny never claimed GOAT status. He also never claimed P4P king/champ status nor that he's the greatest.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

Somehow, for some strange reason, I agree with you here.

Manny's hoards of fans will remain with him especially since he hasn't even been proven to have used PEDs. Those who hated him before will definitely have more ammunition to hate him more. I cannot say what the general public's sentiment is, however.

Most of the boxing informations or articles that I have read including people who I have spoken to also blames Floyd. Could it be that this is the perception of people in the US? I don't know. The Clottey fight will definitely give us an idea on how bad a hit Manny's reputation did take.

Wow, this gives me an idea on a new thread which I might do when I get home. I tried so hard to refrain myself from starting one until I hit a hundred post.

[Chino]

but here in the philippines it didnt affected pacs stature. oh yes not at all! people here think that pbf made too many excuses and thought the if pbf really wanted it then he should accept whatever pac presented on the table

Imagine, the first Asian to do something outstanding in boxing and from the Phils, of course the country will back him up. I was going to ask if news, magazines, etc. have question Pac for all his suspicions with the blood tests, the contradicting excuses, taking on a warm-up lesser opponent (Clottey) compared to Floyd, etc. or is everybody blinding themselves to that possibility? Has anybody in the Filipino media said something about it? In Mexico I see it common for the media to praise but also critique their athletes pretty bad.

i also saw in the news that even foreign fans still line up to meet pac. its as if nothing happened!

People still line up to meet Mike Tyson regardless of his behavior outside the ring.

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao

Agreeing to all of Pac's and Roach's rules doesn't seem like something a boxer would do to rile his way out of a fight. Refusing to only one simple rule that asked for random blood testing does seem like it and that is what Pac did.

And before someone says "Oh, its about ego, Pac, his team, and Roach, don't want to obey Floyd's rule" well, ego had nothing to do with Floyd agreeing to all of their ridiculous rules and all he did was ask for only one: random blood tests. Are there any more excuses for not agreeing for the random blood test?

[Master]

I became a fan of Pac man after his victory over Cotto, but him not taking the random testing has me seriously doubt what he has achieved. So yes.

[15rounder]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

[JJson]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

This is one of the more obtuse comments on this issue. It is akin to saying that if one opponent challenged another to meet tham at a certain point and place, that is evidence that he does not wish to fight. It is silly. Silly because the condition on the table was not burdensome, and it was appliable to both parties.

But herein is the kind of lopsided logic that issues forth from Manny's sycophants. Yeah, duh duh, it is clear that Floyd was afraid of Manny and that is why he proposed conditions that he and Manny both had to abide with. Please, that is retarded.

[Hornfinger]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

[miron_lang]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

[Hornfinger]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

Truth hurts don't it....

(where's my contradiction?)

But your right journos won't be able to write in articles that pac tested positive......

Is that because Pac always ducked the tests?..... hmmmm

[mnmc10]

hornfinger,

you hate pac so your opinions and views are different, to you he lost both fights with jmm but to many and most importantly on his record he beat him.

to you hatton and cotto are beat up wasted talents that anyone can cherry pick. well guess what? MOST doesnt think the same.

he dodged the ped test yes, is he automatically guilty of using? no!

you hate pac what can we do? one things for sure,

pac doesnt need to please YOU anyway!

[generalbulldog]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

For the record I did trash Pacquiao's resume too, but it was to pissed off his fans that were annoying me.

But anyways no fighter in the sport had what I would call a spotless record where fans cannot nitpick it.

[Dizaster]

I was really pissed off over how the whole thing was handled, and how it ended.. For professionals who have been in the sport for most of their adult life, and for all the professionals around them, to let the fight fall though in such crappy circumstances was just ridiculous..

But when it comes down to it, regardless of the many ways you can view it or who I would love to blame, I really lost a lot of respect for Manny for how this turned out.. I was pissed at Floyd for it turning into a whole saga, where these issues have never been a problem in any of his previous fights.. But I don't entirely hold him to blame...

Being a giant giant Manny fan, before this, I lost a lot or respect for him for not being able to sort this out. His reputation is in the toilet for me... I suppose others and the general boxing public will forgive and forget and move on, but we had a super fight of all super fights on our door steps, and it fell through over Manny's ego and pride, or Manny's steroid abuse.. Either way, I simply can't hold him in as high regard as I once did.

[skel1983]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

For the record I did trash Pacquiao's resume too, but it was to pissed off his fans that were annoying me.

But anyways no fighter in the sport had what I would call a spotless record where fans cannot nitpick it.

Don't no how anyone can trash Manny's resume, I just watched his up to date HBO greatest Hits what a fucking fighter he is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXeIlFz7J2E

[Dizaster]

What's been going on with this Pacman situation is the same damn thing that happens when some batshit insane preacher starts shooting his mouth off about how Hurricane Katrina was sent by god to destroy the city of New Orleans because he hates riverboat gambling. All this has done for Manny (and Floyd) is pull his supporters closer to him and push his detractors farther away. So in short, the people who love him now love him more...and the people who hate him...well you get it. It all evens out. No harm done long term.

I have to beg to differ there.. As I said above, I was a giant Manny fan, but this crap didn't bring me any closer to him, or make me dislike Floyd any more.. It's just two guys with their heads so far up their asses that we as paying boxing fans miss out on something grand.. You don't see this sh!t from young up and coming hungry boxers.. You see it from rich diva's who can take or leave possibly the biggest paying fight in history... How 'bout giving back to the fans who have supported them from the bottom to the top...

[Gandalf]

hornfinger,

you hate pac so your opinions and views are different, to you he lost both fights with jmm but to many and most importantly on his record he beat him.

to you hatton and cotto are beat up wasted talents that anyone can cherry pick. well guess what? MOST doesnt think the same.

he dodged the ped test yes, is he automatically guilty of using? no!

you hate pac what can we do? one things for sure,

pac doesnt need to please YOU anyway!

Any intelligent person can see that Manny didn't win either of his fights with Marquez. The win on the record doesn't mean more than the fight most fans saw with their own eyes and boxing writers too for that matter.

I will agree with you to an extent on Hatton and Cotto, though it is true to say they did come in on rather heavy losses.

He definitely did duck the PED test and on that basis alone, and supposedly as a sportsman of the highest level willing to prove himself clean....he failed big time.

As for Pac not needing to please the fans. Well, I would argue that he has shown that he really couldn't give a shit either way. He has shown that by refusing the fight of a generation over a blood test.

You used the word "We" and that really indicates some kind of mass produced cyborg Pac hugger clone army at work. It's hilarious, but also quite sad too. Oh, but Manny doesn't need to please you! WTF?