Disappointed in Hayes performance!

[Master]

I think it was a good seasoned performance by Haye and Ruiz tried his best but Haye did not tire and was not chinny which Ruiz may have secretly hoped. Ruiz has not been at his best since that good run when he won the title against Holyfield and should retire.

[Pugilistic]

Haye put on a good exciting performance.

Ruiz really surprised me though. He came forward most of the fightand you could see he really wanted to win, he was more competitive than i thought he would be. He didn't even have that much trouble hitting Haye.

Haye showed us his power as usual, and he boxed well for the most part, he probably could of taken Ruiz out sooner if he stepped on the gas a little bit sooner.

From what i seen though, I still see Haye having nothing but a punchers chance against Wlad and that still isn't a big chance considering Wlad isn't exactly easy to hit. If Ruiz didn't have much trouble hitting him then Wlad won't at all.

Haye has 0 chance against Vitali as well. Vitali can throw 100 punches a round, is durable and can bang. All that equals no chance for Haye.

[El Kabong]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

[mattboxingfan]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

[rjj tszyu]

I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

....in the 1990's perhaps but not in the 2000's. The last time Evander KO'd anyone of note was Michael Moorer in the rematch in 1997.

Your probably right here actually but I think that is more to do with his torn rotator than he just lost his power. The lump on Rahmans head could be argued to be a result of power! Or maybe just good head movement

[El Kabong]

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

....you think he'll take it that well?

[rjj tszyu]

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

....you think he'll take it that well?

Well it won't be that he'll just stand there and let Wlad hit his guard for the rest of the fight like Chambers did when he landed on him.

I really think you are underrating just how serious a threat Haye can be to the Klits. Haye is a lot faster and hits a damned site harder than "Slow feet reasonable hand speed" Eddie Chambers. Wlad knew he could walk through pretty much everything Chambers could hit him with as he has no power at the top level yet he still wasn't confident enough to take many risks in the fight. Now I can respect that his style takes some skill and discipline but Haye will cause him trouble he has not seen the likes of in a long time even if Wlad does pull off the win, which I am not too narrow minded to completely write off at all as Wlad is a world champion fighter and has good power and Hayes biggest weakness like Wlad has to be his chin.

[El Kabong]

The biggest weakness if this fighter was to challenege Wladimir is DISCIPLINE. Wladimir doesn't hand out any gifts or openings and he WILL control pace and range....any wide "hopeful" punches thrown by this challeneger will be blocked and met with harsh retaliation.

So it's been a while since Wlad has seen a quick dangerous puncher has it? How long has it been for your boy? He's NEVER seen anyone like Wlad and as Manny Steward said about Sam Peter those many years ago "When he fights Wladimir we're going to welcome him to BIG TIME BOXING"

[ninjaspy3]

To be fair, I think Hayes chances against the Klitschkos have got to be just as good or better than the other HWs out there right now. Think about it. All the big names are out. The rest are overweight or just dont have the motivation. Who else is there?

To the point of the thread, Haye did good for the tools he has got. Ruiz is simply a durable guy. And dont count the Tua KO because I believe Ruiz has improved defensively and in his ability to take a hard punch since way back then.

[ono]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

That question could quite easily be reversed. Don't get me wrong, i'd be surprised if Haye beat either brother, but he has enough skill, movement, speed and power to at least make it interesting.

It's probably equally as likely that Wlad would fold if Haye landed flush, especially early on. I admit if Wlad or Vitali land flush it's lights out, but Haye's movement has been good. He needs to stop reaching with his punches, but he's working on a style that can work on the Klits.

[AdamGB]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

The likelihood is that Haye goes down or out... the problem is that Wlad has to get to that point first... it's a forgone conclusion that if he hits any heavyweight with a fully loaded right on the chin then they're going down.

Not the issue though.

You could ask the same question with the rolls reversed - what will happen 'when' Haye lands a flush right cross?

[El Kabong]

Fair enough response, but I think Wlad's defense is pretty underrated he's improved a lot. Meanwhile the other guy we're talking about has hands down and tries to be cute, Ruiz touched him a time or two, Barrett knocked him down...he doesn't have the best balance, he can throw wide at times, and his power at heavyweight is NOT 1 punch = lights out power....it's above average but it's not amazing.

Wlad has been caught a time or two but he hasn't been rocked in a long time, I think that's partially due to his improved confidence and better game plan, he has faith in what he does and perhaps that is a reason Chagaev didn't hurt him when he hit him and caught Wlad pretty good at the end of one round and Wlad didn't react in any negative fashion and Ruslan has decent power about average.

I just don't think anyone in the heavyweight division right now can get around Wlad's 1-2 and improved defense and hell most guys that fight him don't even try after a round or two.

[Spicoli]

Jimmy Thunder.Dear god ...Knocking Ruiz out in that fashion,he nearly turned his back at the end and quit...is impressive and we should all send Mr. Haye a thank you card...Holyfield can hit with sharp fast combinations and had a very underrated left hook.Hurt and stunned some of the thickest and best with it.One shot no,but a hurtful combo hitter.

Haye is pretty flawed in set up and defense.Lacks fluid combos and can be crowded and arms and legs start coming apart wide.He's a cocky puncher,lowering arms,throwing from hips at times etc.Who ever can...and they will have to....walk through his pot shot sharp and jarring one-twos stands a very good chance of exploiting his gaps.Ruiz though battered was on his feet at end and had some moments.

[ryanman]

Fair enough response, but I think Wlad's defense is pretty underrated he's improved a lot. Meanwhile the other guy we're talking about has hands down and tries to be cute, Ruiz touched him a time or two, Barrett knocked him down...he doesn't have the best balance, he can throw wide at times, and his power at heavyweight is NOT 1 punch = lights out power....it's above average but it's not amazing.

Wlad has been caught a time or two but he hasn't been rocked in a long time, I think that's partially due to his improved confidence and better game plan, he has faith in what he does and perhaps that is a reason Chagaev didn't hurt him when he hit him and caught Wlad pretty good at the end of one round and Wlad didn't react in any negative fashion and Ruslan has decent power about average.

I just don't think anyone in the heavyweight division right now can get around Wlad's 1-2 and improved defense and hell most guys that fight him don't even try after a round or two.

Thats a pretty fair assessment Lyle. Its often said that Wlad vs Haye is a 'whoever lands first' fight and to some extent I agree with that. But the thing is I would say that 7 or 8 times out of 10 it would be Wlad that lands first. That still gives Haye a 2 or 3 out of 10 chance though which I think is what most people are saying. I think most people are just saying that you shouldn't dismiss Haye's chances completely.

[CFH]

i was supprised on how much Haye got tagged last night and to be honest i remember thinking if that was any of the klits connecting it would be lights out for haye.

maybe i'm just not giving an old Ruiz much credit.

one thing i know is.... if Haye had have finished him in the first that would have sent out a very impressive message and i think that is the frustration mattboxingfan is getting at.

I agree. I'm watching the fight right now (just finished the fourth round) and while Haye has looked extremely impressive offensively (though I wish he'd use his jab a bit more because it was very effective), he's gotten hit by a couple of shots, mostly straight right hands, that could have him in trouble against the Klitschko's. In particular, he got tagged and staggered by a straight right in the first round that could have been devestating from a puncher like Wlad, though he wasn't obviously hurt by the punch. He also looked gassed at the end of the fourth.

Aside from that though, he has looked very good. His speed is impressive and his power seems to be legitimate at HW and overall it was a very good performance.

I like brackets.