What type of boxing fan ARE you?

[milmascaras1]

titofan,

the biggest and greatest boxing rivalry is between mexico and puerto rico. it's compared to the yankees/redsox, steelers/raiders, cowboys/redskins. and by the way, puerto rico leads mexico by the score of:

puerto rico - 62-48-1

now, that's a real rivalry!!!

[jolz]

i've been accused to being a "racist" among other things by seemingly by some over-sensitive fans on this site. i've been told that i only like mexican fighters and that i'm this and that, yada yada yada. the truth is this, i'm a big boxing fan of mexican boxers AND non-mexican boxers. and i'm not going to apologize to anyone that i'm also somewhat nationalistic when it comes to boxing. anyone on this board who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.

when chris arreola battled tomasz adamek a few months ago, i was undeniably behind adamek. i'm a big fan of his and he happens to be polish. why is that? why did i root for adamek and not arreola? because i'm not a racist like i'm been branded here. for example, my favorite "non-mexican" fighters are:

yonnhy perez - colombia
vic darchinyan - armenia
michael katsidid - australia
timothy bradley - usa
marcos rene maidana - argentina
joel casamayor - cuba
floyd mayweather jr. - usa
shane mosley - usa
ricky hatton - england
miguel angel cotto - puerto rico
kermit cintron - puerto rico
sergio gabriel martinez - argentina
kelly pavlik - usa
lucian bute - romania
andre ward - usa
mikkel kessler - denmark
arthur abraham - armenia
carl froch - england
edison miranda - colombia
jermain taylor - usa
chad dawson - usa
klitschko brothers - ukraine
tomasz adamek - poland

one more thing, the reason i put down results whenever a mexican fighter fights a filipino fighter is because they, the filipinos wanted very badly to have this "rivalry". i personally don't think there is any "rivalry" because of the one sidedness between the two countries. maybe not on this site but in many other sites, they compare themselves to mexicans in everything. be it beauty pageants, boxing, etc...it seems as if they've got this obsession with mexicans.

IMO, it only just came from your mouth. But why include Filipinos here? You can bash Filipinos on other sites that you are pertaining to. Shallow enough, just because Filipinos are talking about rivalry with Mexicans is enough reason to post insults against Filipinos. Show some little love dude.
I think the greatest example of Mexican obsession is you..lol

The main reason why you are called a "racist" is because you love to bash Filipinos and Filipino fighters.

see thread:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rld-title.html

But kidding aside, there is no need to bash other races in order to be called a boxing fan.


Typical boxing fans are NUTHUGGERS (most are annoying though).

Real boxing fans follow the boxing WORLD, yes WORLD, not just Filipino, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Ghanaian, or boxing on a specific country only. And also not only focus on one division, but in every division (strawweight to heavyweight)

milmascaras1 always insinuates that FILIPINOS only know Pacquiao, I think he is wrong here.
He can boast that Mexico has produced more world champions than Filipinos, yes that is correct and there is nothing to argue about that. Mexico is a great boxing country. And there is nothing to hate about Mexico. But he's got every reason to bash Filipinos.

Even Oscar Larios was touched when he once visited the Philippines during the WBC Convention in November 2007 because of the adoration and applause he received from Filipinos. Even Juan Manuel Marquez was applauded when he visited the Philippines.

But I got to love milmascaras1's list of favorite fighters.

But you can't force him to admire Filipino fighters though.

[milmascaras1]

jolz,

i read your comments and i must say you are a very down to earth person. seriously! and by the way, i don't hate filipinos. i know alot of filipinos who are good friends of mine. maybe it was my fault that i was generalizing all filipinos because of some bad apples and i admit i was wrong. and i must say that i believe filipino fighters are very tough, valiant warriors, just like mexicans, puerto ricans, americans, cubans, etc...those guys don't have quit in them and i admire their toughness. they might be small in stature but i believe they are second to none when it comes to fighting. and another thing, when pacquiao first came unto the boxing scene with a thunder when he destroyed marco barrera in 2003, i was also a fan of his. but because of his fans, i soon started disliking him. really, i admire the man because he's one of the very few worldwide superstars who are still down to earth and won't let fame corrupt him. oh and by the way, i am an avid follower of filipino boxing. i follow all of their fights and have a database of all their world champions in history! so Jolz, hopefully we can have civil and intelligent conversations from now on. mabuhay ka!

[TitoFan]

titofan,

the biggest and greatest boxing rivalry is between mexico and puerto rico. it's compared to the yankees/redsox, steelers/raiders, cowboys/redskins. and by the way, puerto rico leads mexico by the score of:

puerto rico - 62-48-1

now, that's a real rivalry!!!

I agree 100%. I'm a huge sports fan, of many sports. In football, for instance, (American, that is)... I'm a Steeler fan and I intensely dislike the Dallas Cowboys. When they play each other, I get pretty psyched up. But for sheer excitement and the kind of rivalry that gets your heart pumping at 100 mph, NOTHING beats a championship fight between a Puerto Rican and a Mexican fighter. And it's been that way for many, many years. One thing we can both boast about is having a magnificent and storied boxing past (and present). And looking forward to many more years of the same intense rivalry.

[jolz]

jolz,

i read your comments and i must say you are a very down to earth person. seriously! and by the way, i don't hate filipinos. i know alot of filipinos who are good friends of mine. maybe it was my fault that i was generalizing all filipinos because of some bad apples and i admit i was wrong. and i must say that i believe filipino fighters are very tough, valiant warriors, just like mexicans, puerto ricans, americans, cubans, etc...those guys don't have quit in them and i admire their toughness. they might be small in stature but i believe they are second to none when it comes to fighting. and another thing, when pacquiao first came unto the boxing scene with a thunder when he destroyed marco barrera in 2003, i was also a fan of his. but because of his fans, i soon started disliking him. really, i admire the man because he's one of the very few worldwide superstars who are still down to earth and won't let fame corrupt him. oh and by the way, i am an avid follower of filipino boxing. i follow all of their fights and have a database of all their world champions in history! so Jolz, hopefully we can have civil and intelligent conversations from now on. mabuhay ka!

OK bro..You can bash nuthuggers..
You cannot dislike the man himself. He is more humble than most of Pacfans. I can say you are a real boxing fan because you follow every fight. And my bad, I am always infuriating you with my comments. Boxing is brotherhood..

[milmascaras1]

jolz,

indeed, boxing is a brotherhood. today i was looking at the results from the philippines at BOXREC and they had a really huge card somewhere where they showcased some really promising prospects. right now philippine boxing is virtually at a standstill but it looks like you guys have some pretty good young prospects coming up.

these guys are really young and it would be foolish for their managers to pit them against competition they are not ready for. this rushing filipino prospects has been going on since pacquiao came unto the scene and it's practically ruined some prospects like rey bautista and a.j. banal and a few others. these managers are looking for the next pacquiao but there can only be one pacquiao.

yeah, mexico has alot of super prospects as well. you can say mexico's boxing is at a standstill even with 9 champions but wait until their prospects are ready. it's going to be exciting because if these prospects are brought up correctly and not too fast, many of them are going to be world champions.

as far as following every fight, that's almost true! lol...i've got a lot of time on my hands and i like to do research and i have loads of statistics on boxing, baseball, football, world cup soccer etc...

mabuhay ka pare!

[milmascaras1]

titofan,

yes indeed, puerto rico/mexico rivalry is tops in boxing. but do you know what bewilders me? how can puerto rico produce so many quality world champions with such a miniscule population as compared to other densely populated countries? it's really amazing!

years ago i had a black friend who was from new york and she told me that her dad made her carry a knife to school every day because she was always getting into fights with puerto ricans. she even told me that if whenever there was a fight, 9 times out of 10 it involved a puerto rican.

that's why you guys are so good at boxing cause you're fightin' mofo's!!1

[TitoFan]

titofan,

yes indeed, puerto rico/mexico rivalry is tops in boxing. but do you know what bewilders me? how can puerto rico produce so many quality world champions with such a miniscule population as compared to other densely populated countries? it's really amazing!

years ago i had a black friend who was from new york and she told me that her dad made her carry a knife to school every day because she was always getting into fights with puerto ricans. she even told me that if whenever there was a fight, 9 times out of 10 it involved a puerto rican.

that's why you guys are so good at boxing cause you're fightin' mofo's!!1

LOL... yeah, Puerto Ricans in NY by and large give the rest of us a bad rap (or maybe a good one, depending how you look at it). But seriously... I think the reason for the disproportionate number of great champions coming out of an island with such a miniscule population (in comparison with other boxing powers) is that we have what I would call a spectacular boxing development program. You go to just about any town on the island, and you'll find fights being held at local gyms, where you'll see amazing young talent. Just the other day I was discussing with a friend at work how the future looks promising for more P.R. champions, based on the young talent coming up through the ranks these days.

A year or so ago I did some research on the number of historical world champions from the different countries, and compared it to the populations of those countries. And while the boxing powers you'd expect are near the top of the list: (U.S., Mexico, England, Venezuela), little Puerto Rico was far and away at the top of that list (champions divided by population, that is). Obviously in terms of sheer number of historical world champions, the U.S. and Mexico and #1 and #2, respectively.

[milmascaras1]

titofan,

indeed, puerto rico is per capita boxing's cream of the crop!

[TitoFan]

I once posted a thread similar to this, where I attempted to define the different types of boxing fans. Thought it was an interesting and relevant subject, so here I go again:

“Objective Fan” – Probably the most credible type of fan, with little or no nationality preferences or biases. Likes or dislikes fighters based mostly on facts, such as: fighting style, skills, record, personality, heart, excitement factor, etc, etc. Can find and discuss flaws in his own liked fighters, as well as good qualities in his “not-so-liked” fighters.

“Nationalistic Fan” – Likes or dislikes fighters strictly based on nationality. If you’re Mexican, you like only Mexican fighters and discredit everybody else. Same if you’re Puerto Rican, Filipino, English, etc, etc. Will make the occasional exception, but it’s extremely rare. Will try to pass off nationalistic bias for boxing knowledge.

“Young Fan” – Knows little about boxing history, and thinks boxing was invented with the rise of Mike Tyson. Knows or cares nothing about the past fighters. They were from “before”, so they were obviously no good. Tends to be boring after a while, when it becomes obvious he doesn’t know about past fighters and, even worse… doesn’t care to know.

“Casual Fan” – Cares only about the heavyweights. Anybody below that is a pipsqueak and “why should I watch anything other than two elephants whaling at each other”. Will talk incessantly about Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, and others… but knows didly squat about any division below that, except for marquee names and/or media darlings, such as: ODLH, PBF, Pacquiao, etc.

“Bully Fan” – Is very opinionated, and drives home his opinions harshly. Woe to those who don’t agree, who then get cyber-abused, from the safety of the bully’s keyboard. Usually writes well, aggressively, and normally develops a following within the forum. Gets looked up to, or feared, or both. Can be combined with other types of fan.

“One-Man Fan” – Is fan of only one fighter. No one else exists. Can border on obsessive behavior. Fills the forum with incessant threads and posts about his favorite fighter, but very little else. Normally becomes quite boring to read, and is summarily ignored and ridiculed. Lashes out at every other fighter.

“Hater Fan” – Picks out certain fighters for intense dislike. Gives these fighters absolutely no credit whatsoever. Will go out of their way to instigate arguments and exchange insults with fans of these fighters that they hate.

Obviously, I feel obligated to rate myself (truthfully). So here goes: If I were to truthfully rate myself within these categories, it’d be something like…

60% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
5% - Bully
10% - Hater

I may seem very nationalistic in some of my arguments, but I’ve long established my dislike for some Puerto Rican fighters (Camacho, Santos, Ruiz)…. while at the same time establishing being a fan of fighters from some rival countries (Duran, Barrera, Pacquiao, Pavlik). I’ve also found faults and criticized some of Cotto’s decisions, and have admitted to his weaknesses and shortcomings, just like I used to do with Tito.

By the same token, I’ve seen the gamut of fans here on this forum. The 100% nationalistics, the casuals, the bullies, the haters, and all different kinds of combinations.

How would you rate yourself?

How could i FORGET? What a serious oversight on my part! I forgot one very important type of fan in my original post......

"Business Fan" - Cares more about PPV numbers and how much money so and so makes than about the actual fights. Actually rates fighters not on wins and losses, but on how many millions he made on his last PPV.

My bad.
Personally, this is probably the LAST type of fan I would ever be. You see... I'm that rare breed of fan that could give a rat's ass about the business logistics of boxing, at least when it gets taken to the extreme. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong about building your way toward a big fight, and not having two rising young talents meet too soon. No problem whatsoever. BUT... when this gets taken to the extreme that then fighters blatantly duck each other in the name of money, it stinks.

[haiderpak]

I'm an objective boxing fan....

[jolz]

jolz,

indeed, boxing is a brotherhood. today i was looking at the results from the philippines at BOXREC and they had a really huge card somewhere where they showcased some really promising prospects. right now philippine boxing is virtually at a standstill but it looks like you guys have some pretty good young prospects coming up.

these guys are really young and it would be foolish for their managers to pit them against competition they are not ready for. this rushing filipino prospects has been going on since pacquiao came unto the scene and it's practically ruined some prospects like rey bautista and a.j. banal and a few others. these managers are looking for the next pacquiao but there can only be one pacquiao.

yeah, mexico has alot of super prospects as well. you can say mexico's boxing is at a standstill even with 9 champions but wait until their prospects are ready. it's going to be exciting because if these prospects are brought up correctly and not too fast, many of them are going to be world champions.

as far as following every fight, that's almost true! lol...i've got a lot of time on my hands and i like to do research and i have loads of statistics on boxing, baseball, football, world cup soccer etc...

mabuhay ka pare!

sadly, Philippine boxing will never get its place if corrupt managers and promoters will feed promising fighters to the lions. Eversince Pacmania occured, each promising prospect is rushed on to something dangerous. I am not saying this as an excuse. But take a look at Montiel Vs. Ciso Morales. The kid was visibly unfit and not ready to fight a veteran.

On the other hand, other young fighters are pitted against Thai veterans and get this, they are scheduling fights in Thailand even without sufficient permits from GAB (the Philippines' governing body in all sports). In order to compete with the world, we Filipinos should not only focus on Pacquiao alone. We should focus on developing the sport and setting aside personal greed..

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I'm definitely a 0% 'Business Fan'

[Master]

I am a nostalgic boxing fan, missing the great heavyweight fights of the 90's, a peak RJJ and the punching power of Julian Jackson.

[generalbulldog]

I am a nostalgic boxing fan, missing the great heavyweight fights of the 90's, a peak RJJ and the punching power of Julian Jackson.

That's a good one, I have to say I am partially a nostalgic fan too. I actually miss Hagler, Duran, and Hearns. Ray Leonard was just too prima donna for my taste.