N. and S. Korea Exchange fire

[Andre]

You are being a bit of a tit, Bilbo. Let's just keep to the topics on hand, we can keep Israel elsewhere. As it stands, I think what North Korea has done here is absolutely insane, and is perhaps the worst assault seen in many, many years. I'm not shocked because you half expect it, but I'm surprised they went so full on in the assault on this little Island.

Now will the international comminuty (or should I say America) deal with N Korea like they did Afghanistan and Iraq? Will they fuck. If any country was to be invaded on the grounds of human decency and the need to be be freed from totalitarianism it was North Korea.

We will have a few harsh words and then things will settle down...until the next time....then the next time...ad infinitum.

America won't get directly involved for fear of upsetting China. So it might be a proxy war with China. The N. and S. Koreans will just be the chess pieces and the chess board is the Korean peninsula, and the players are US and China.

I hate to say this, but if I'm honest there is a part of me that kind of enjoys a good war. Not the tragedy and suffering of course, but the drama and action. When we went with America to take out Iraq, I can't deny it was entertaining to be in the tanks with them thanks to their tank cams whilst they kicked ass, often accompanied to a rousing orchestral score.

Obviously I want the S Koreans to win this one, but they are definitely the underdogs. If it was a wrestling match they would be the caped dwarf fighting a giant fat, masked guy. Hopefully they can tag someone else in as well to smash the Northern wrestler figure across the back with a chair.

So, although I hate the sufferings, if it all kicks off I'll be getting out the popcorn and rooting for the Southern little guys to do a giant killing.

People die and suffer terribly in war, tragedies are commonplace in it, especially for civilians and innocent people. War ain't fun and games. This ain't a movie or video game or some Lord of the Rings fantasy shit.

Yes I am aware of that, you don't need to explain it to me. I'm just saying there is a particular fascination for it. It's the same with serial killers.

The very fact that we have Lord of the Rings fantasy shit and movies and video games would attest that I am far from alone in having this fascination no?

It is fascinating, amongst other things. I suppose it, (your relative sanity) depends on whether you'd rather live with it or without it.
Some people would take your first comment only one certain way,I know what you mean.

[Kev]

You are being a bit of a tit, Bilbo. Let's just keep to the topics on hand, we can keep Israel elsewhere. As it stands, I think what North Korea has done here is absolutely insane, and is perhaps the worst assault seen in many, many years. I'm not shocked because you half expect it, but I'm surprised they went so full on in the assault on this little Island.

Now will the international comminuty (or should I say America) deal with N Korea like they did Afghanistan and Iraq? Will they fuck. If any country was to be invaded on the grounds of human decency and the need to be be freed from totalitarianism it was North Korea.

We will have a few harsh words and then things will settle down...until the next time....then the next time...ad infinitum.

America won't get directly involved for fear of upsetting China. So it might be a proxy war with China. The N. and S. Koreans will just be the chess pieces and the chess board is the Korean peninsula, and the players are US and China.

I hate to say this, but if I'm honest there is a part of me that kind of enjoys a good war. Not the tragedy and suffering of course, but the drama and action. When we went with America to take out Iraq, I can't deny it was entertaining to be in the tanks with them thanks to their tank cams whilst they kicked ass, often accompanied to a rousing orchestral score.

Obviously I want the S Koreans to win this one, but they are definitely the underdogs. If it was a wrestling match they would be the caped dwarf fighting a giant fat, masked guy. Hopefully they can tag someone else in as well to smash the Northern wrestler figure across the back with a chair.

So, although I hate the sufferings, if it all kicks off I'll be getting out the popcorn and rooting for the Southern little guys to do a giant killing.

People die and suffer terribly in war, tragedies are commonplace in it, especially for civilians and innocent people. War ain't fun and games. This ain't a movie or video game or some Lord of the Rings fantasy shit.

Yes I am aware of that, you don't need to explain it to me. I'm just saying there is a particular fascination for it. It's the same with serial killers.

The very fact that we have Lord of the Rings fantasy shit and movies and video games would attest that I am far from alone in having this fascination no?

It is fascinating, amongst other things. I suppose it, (your relative sanity) depends on whether you'd rather live with it or without it.
Some people would take your first comment only one certain way,I know what you mean.

Take away death and war and you literally have no history. I can't think of any major film, book, song, play or anything really that didn't involve a loss of some kind, usually death.

It's an essential component of the human condition. If we lived in a world with no war, no suffering, no adversity there would not be much to do, and even less to talk about. We'd all go mental and start killing each other.

[generalbulldog]

Movies, video games, and Lord of the Rings are make belief. Not real. Finding amusement with that kind of stuff, who cares I say because a lot of people enjoy it. But enjoying war itself because it seems fun and exciting is really.............. out there I say.

All I got from that post was that you said you enjoy a good war because of the drama and action. So I take it as meaning you want a war to happen for your amusement. It ain't no amusement for the parties involved, to them I'm pretty sure it's not fun and games filled with great drama and action. But hey whatever floats your boat homey.

[Andre]

You are being a bit of a tit, Bilbo. Let's just keep to the topics on hand, we can keep Israel elsewhere. As it stands, I think what North Korea has done here is absolutely insane, and is perhaps the worst assault seen in many, many years. I'm not shocked because you half expect it, but I'm surprised they went so full on in the assault on this little Island.

Now will the international comminuty (or should I say America) deal with N Korea like they did Afghanistan and Iraq? Will they fuck. If any country was to be invaded on the grounds of human decency and the need to be be freed from totalitarianism it was North Korea.

We will have a few harsh words and then things will settle down...until the next time....then the next time...ad infinitum.

America won't get directly involved for fear of upsetting China. So it might be a proxy war with China. The N. and S. Koreans will just be the chess pieces and the chess board is the Korean peninsula, and the players are US and China.

I hate to say this, but if I'm honest there is a part of me that kind of enjoys a good war. Not the tragedy and suffering of course, but the drama and action. When we went with America to take out Iraq, I can't deny it was entertaining to be in the tanks with them thanks to their tank cams whilst they kicked ass, often accompanied to a rousing orchestral score.

Obviously I want the S Koreans to win this one, but they are definitely the underdogs. If it was a wrestling match they would be the caped dwarf fighting a giant fat, masked guy. Hopefully they can tag someone else in as well to smash the Northern wrestler figure across the back with a chair.

So, although I hate the sufferings, if it all kicks off I'll be getting out the popcorn and rooting for the Southern little guys to do a giant killing.

People die and suffer terribly in war, tragedies are commonplace in it, especially for civilians and innocent people. War ain't fun and games. This ain't a movie or video game or some Lord of the Rings fantasy shit.

Yes I am aware of that, you don't need to explain it to me. I'm just saying there is a particular fascination for it. It's the same with serial killers.

The very fact that we have Lord of the Rings fantasy shit and movies and video games would attest that I am far from alone in having this fascination no?

It is fascinating, amongst other things. I suppose it, (your relative sanity) depends on whether you'd rather live with it or without it.
Some people would take your first comment only one certain way,I know what you mean.

Take away death and war and you literally have no history. I can't think of any major film, book, song, play or anything really that didn't involve a loss of some kind, usually death.

It's an essential component of the human condition. If we lived in a world with no war, no suffering, no adversity there would not be much to do, and even less to talk about. We'd all go mental and start killing each other.

Much truth there.

A massive catch 22!

A circle of Re-evolution, spiritual, mental and physical; until we choose to become more.

[miron_lang]

It's an essential component of the human condition. If we lived in a world with no war, no suffering, no adversity there would not be much to do, and even less to talk about. We'd all go mental and start killing each other.

The British, french, Italians and Germans have not killed each other since 1945. So how can they continue living without that essential component?

[Kev]

Movies, video games, and Lord of the Rings are make belief. Not real. Finding amusement with that kind of stuff, who cares I say because a lot of people enjoy it. But enjoying war itself because it seems fun and exciting is really.............. out there I say.

All I got from that post was that you said you enjoy a good war because of the drama and action. So I take it as meaning you want a war to happen for your amusement. It ain't no amusement for the parties involved, to them I'm pretty sure it's not fun and games filled with great drama and action. But hey whatever floats your boat homey.

I don't know man. I mean lets look at the most harrowing, destructive war of them all World War 2. You can't tell me that for literally millions of those who lived through, and even fought through that war that it wasn't in some ways the defining, maybe even the greatest times of their lives in some sense.

The pride they felt fighting against the enemy. The comoradarie and brotherhoods that were formed. The sense of unity for a common purpose, the belief that they were fighting for something that mattered.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying they are glad the war happened or attempting to trivialise it. But as humans we define ourselves by our wars. They form the critical periods of our history.

This sight, of which you are a member, is dedicated to that noble art of punching another man into submission.

It is fascinating for all of us. Hell you even started the thread with the word's 'Things are about to get interesting', not harrowing or tragic, or appalling, but interesting.

You're the same as me buddy. You may argue against it, but when it comes to it, you will turn on the tv, and log onto to the same interent reports as me, probably buying the Electronic Arts videogame of the conflict to come and playing it on your PS4 in a couple years time, all the while knowing that you yourself deplore war, and the tragedy that ensues.

[Kev]

It's an essential component of the human condition. If we lived in a world with no war, no suffering, no adversity there would not be much to do, and even less to talk about. We'd all go mental and start killing each other.

The British, french, Italians and Germans have not killed each other since 1945. So how can they continue living without that essential component?

They have killed others, it gets boring always attacking the same people year in year out, unless your an Arab that is.

[killersheep]

And the discussions have begun, in full view of the cameras

VOA | Obama Meets with Top Advisers on Korea Situation | News | English

The U.S. State Department on Tuesday called the attack an "unprovoked military assault," and said the Obama administration is planning a "measured and unified" response, working with China and other nations in the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

I would never underestimate an unpopular president's ease of going to war. There is nothing that stimulates the economy quicker or gathers the nation under leadership.

[Gandalf]

Seriously, nothing will come of this. Lee Myong Park needs to sound tough, but in reality he will do nothing. Nothing happened with the sinking of the Cheonan and nothing much will come of this either. Meanwhile North Korea will be able to announce some propaganda victory to boost their own positions of power.

South Korea on the surface likes to think of the North Koreans as their brothers, but at the same time are very happy with the economic development and accompanying benefits that have come with it. South Korea will tolerate a little bit of this every couple of years or so and just let it go. A few harsh public words, but then life as usual. They don't want North Korea to collapse and they certainly don't want a repeat of what happened when the two Germany's were eventually reuinified. There were hundreds of thousands protesting about the evils of US beef a few years ago, how many ever go out and protest at the plight of the North Korean proletariat?

I think the reactions in the international community will be much stronger than anything you will ever see on streets of Seoul. It's a little bit of shock, but then back to work as usual. People don't care too much about North Korea. You just ignore it and hope it will go away and then they shoot rockets for a bit of attention...then you just ignore them again until the next time. There is no doubt that the North is random and quite unpredictable. There was really no reason nor need for this.

The inherent selfishness of capitalism has won out in the South, but at the same time the inherent evils of totalitarianism means that the North Koreans continue to suffer at the hands of a despicable regime.

[Kev]

And the discussions have begun, in full view of the cameras

VOA | Obama Meets with Top Advisers on Korea Situation | News | English

The U.S. State Department on Tuesday called the attack an "unprovoked military assault," and said the Obama administration is planning a "measured and unified" response, working with China and other nations in the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

I would never underestimate an unpopular president's ease of going to war. There is nothing that stimulates the economy quicker or gathers the nation under leadership.

I don't know why but that picture made me laugh. I know he's trying to project a confident and open pose with his leg crossed high over the other one. But we know that if that was George Bush he'd have just stuck his cowboy bots up on the table, spurs a spinning and it would have been a much more comforting image for the Americans who want a strong gun ho leader.

I'm wondering what Miles stance will be on this if they do attack North Korea? I mean he'll be itching to condemn yet another act of aggression by the yanks out to preserve their interests. Only this time they will be coming to save HIM and his little country of South Korea.

What say you Miles? Are you against America flexing their muscle to make the NK's leave you alone?

[Kev]

Seriously, nothing will come of this. Lee Myong Park needs to sound tough, but in reality he will do nothing. Nothing happened with the sinking of the Cheonan and nothing much will come of this either. Meanwhile North Korea will be able to announce some propaganda victory to boost their own positions of power.

South Korea on the surface likes to think of the North Koreans as their brothers, but at the same time are very happy with the economic development and accompanying benefits that have come with it. South Korea will tolerate a little bit of this every couple of years or so and just let it go. A few harsh public words, but then life as usual. They don't want North Korea to collapse and they certainly don't want a repeat of what happened when the two Germany's were eventually reuinified. There were hundreds of thousands protesting about the evils of US beef a few years ago, how many ever go out and protest at the plight of the North Korean proletariat?

I think the reactions in the international community will be much stronger than anything you will ever see on streets of Seoul. It's a little bit of shock, but then back to work as usual. People don't care too much about North Korea. You just ignore it and hope it will go away and then they shoot rockets for a bit of attention...then you just ignore them again until the next time. There is no doubt that the North is random and quite unpredictable. There was really no reason nor need for this.

The inherent selfishness of capitalism has won out in the South, but at the same time the inherent evils of totalitarianism means that the North Koreans continue to suffer at the hands of a despicable regime.

Yeah I agree, that was pretty fucking cowardly. The ship gets torpedo'd with massive loss of life, and the N.Koreans just shrugged and said 'Why are you looking at us, we had nothing to do with this?'.

And so Korea and the UN, who are powerless in the face of anything that might hit back just were like 'Ok, we'll let it slide this time but know that we've got our eyes on you'.....

It really was pathetic.

[Gandalf]

And the discussions have begun, in full view of the cameras

VOA | Obama Meets with Top Advisers on Korea Situation | News | English

The U.S. State Department on Tuesday called the attack an "unprovoked military assault," and said the Obama administration is planning a "measured and unified" response, working with China and other nations in the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

I would never underestimate an unpopular president's ease of going to war. There is nothing that stimulates the economy quicker or gathers the nation under leadership.

I don't know why but that picture made me laugh. I know he's trying to project a confident and open pose with his leg crossed high over the other one. But we know that if that was George Bush he'd have just stuck his cowboy bots up on the table, spurs a spinning and it would have been a much more comforting image for the Americans who want a strong gun ho leader.

I'm wondering what Miles stance will be on this if they do attack North Korea? I mean he'll be itching to condemn yet another act of aggression by the yanks out to preserve their interests. Only this time they will be coming to save HIM and his little country of South Korea.

What say you Miles? Are you against America flexing their muscle to make the NK's leave you alone?

I think randomly firing rockets on a soveriegn nation is perfectly good grounds for regime change, but that would also mean regime change in Israel, the US and countless others. Sure, I do think it would be good to remove the N Korean regime, I couldn't try to defend it. However, you also have to consider what it will be replaced with and that is always cause for concern when the US gets involved in these kinds of things, because their only motivation is finding ways for their multinationals to get a foot in, the interests of the indigenous population always come last.

[killersheep]

Seriously, nothing will come of this. Lee Myong Park needs to sound tough, but in reality he will do nothing. Nothing happened with the sinking of the Cheonan and nothing much will come of this either. Meanwhile North Korea will be able to announce some propaganda victory to boost their own positions of power.

South Korea on the surface likes to think of the North Koreans as their brothers, but at the same time are very happy with the economic development and accompanying benefits that have come with it. South Korea will tolerate a little bit of this every couple of years or so and just let it go. A few harsh public words, but then life as usual. They don't want North Korea to collapse and they certainly don't want a repeat of what happened when the two Germany's were eventually reuinified. There were hundreds of thousands protesting about the evils of US beef a few years ago, how many ever go out and protest at the plight of the North Korean proletariat?

I think the reactions in the international community will be much stronger than anything you will ever see on streets of Seoul. It's a little bit of shock, but then back to work as usual. People don't care too much about North Korea. You just ignore it and hope it will go away and then they shoot rockets for a bit of attention...then you just ignore them again until the next time. There is no doubt that the North is random and quite unpredictable. There was really no reason nor need for this.

The inherent selfishness of capitalism has won out in the South, but at the same time the inherent evils of totalitarianism means that the North Koreans continue to suffer at the hands of a despicable regime.

However from the American perspective at this particular time, there is a need for political capital on both sides of the aisle here in the US, especially as this comes on the heels of a landscape redefining mid-term election. The democratic party including Obama, are desperately trying to find a platform that they can connect with most people in the US. The House of Representitives has just undergone a massive exchange in seats and is now under Republican control, they also need a cause to prove that the American people have made the right decision.

Contrary to party tag lines, neither party can institute any domestic policy that will have an immediate stimulatory affect on the economy, nor unemployment.

"We will stand by South Korea and are firmly committed to defending our ally." - Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio (Speaker of the House)

"We must stand in solidarity with the Republic of Korea and with all those who desire peace and stability in that region." - Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.

[Kev]

And the discussions have begun, in full view of the cameras

VOA | Obama Meets with Top Advisers on Korea Situation | News | English

The U.S. State Department on Tuesday called the attack an "unprovoked military assault," and said the Obama administration is planning a "measured and unified" response, working with China and other nations in the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

I would never underestimate an unpopular president's ease of going to war. There is nothing that stimulates the economy quicker or gathers the nation under leadership.

I don't know why but that picture made me laugh. I know he's trying to project a confident and open pose with his leg crossed high over the other one. But we know that if that was George Bush he'd have just stuck his cowboy bots up on the table, spurs a spinning and it would have been a much more comforting image for the Americans who want a strong gun ho leader.

I'm wondering what Miles stance will be on this if they do attack North Korea? I mean he'll be itching to condemn yet another act of aggression by the yanks out to preserve their interests. Only this time they will be coming to save HIM and his little country of South Korea.

What say you Miles? Are you against America flexing their muscle to make the NK's leave you alone?

I think randomly firing rockets on a soveriegn nation is perfectly good grounds for regime change, but that would also mean regime change in Israel, the US and countless others. Sure, I do think it would be good to remove the N Korean regime, I couldn't try to defend it. However, you also have to consider what it will be replaced with and that is always cause for concern when the US gets involved in these kinds of things, because their only motivation is finding ways for their multinationals to get a foot in, the interests of the indigenous population always come last.

Yes but on the bright side the people of North Korea would finally get to enjoy KFC and McDonalds.

[generalbulldog]

Movies, video games, and Lord of the Rings are make belief. Not real. Finding amusement with that kind of stuff, who cares I say because a lot of people enjoy it. But enjoying war itself because it seems fun and exciting is really.............. out there I say.

All I got from that post was that you said you enjoy a good war because of the drama and action. So I take it as meaning you want a war to happen for your amusement. It ain't no amusement for the parties involved, to them I'm pretty sure it's not fun and games filled with great drama and action. But hey whatever floats your boat homey.

I don't know man. I mean lets look at the most harrowing, destructive war of them all World War 2. You can't tell me that for literally millions of those who lived through, and even fought through that war that it wasn't in some ways the defining, maybe even the greatest times of their lives in some sense.

The pride they felt fighting against the enemy. The comoradarie and brotherhoods that were formed. The sense of unity for a common purpose, the belief that they were fighting for something that mattered.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying they are glad the war happened or attempting to trivialise it. But as humans we define ourselves by our wars. They form the critical periods of our history.

This sight, of which you are a member, is dedicated to that noble art of punching another man into submission.

It is fascinating for all of us. Hell you even started the thread with the word's 'Things are about to get interesting', not harrowing or tragic, or appalling, but interesting.

You're the same as me buddy. You may argue against it, but when it comes to it, you will turn on the tv, and log onto to the same interent reports as me, probably buying the Electronic Arts videogame of the conflict to come and playing it on your PS4 in a couple years time, all the while knowing that you yourself deplore war, and the tragedy that ensues.

I think you're steering off course here. When I said "things may get interesting" in the sense that this can lead to something bigger with serious ramifications and what they are we do not know yet, not something that I'm going to get a kick out of and thinks it's cool in a "hey that's pretty interesting" kind of way.

As for people fighting in wars, yes the experience for some defines them but also for many not in a good way. And all that drama and action for many is inherently negative. Yes I may buy that violent game and I may even watch a violent movie or watch a violent sport such as boxing, but to me those are not rooted in the realities of this world, they are just forms of entertainment. In your original post, it seems you were giddy with the prospect of war happening because there will be action and drama as you said, so I interpreted it as you seeing a war as good entertainment. But hey even if you see war in that light, then that's you. As I've said, whatever floats your boat.