But Can We Admit the Fact That...

[Memphis]

SSSSSSSHHHHHHH.... lets let the pictures do the talking.

That was brilliant

[Spicoli]

Ninja bud did you hurt your toe as well I mean I am as stubborn and loyal as the next guy but really mate you've moved beyond putting lipstick on a pig to going for the full scale fashion show. Respectfully man this is far beyond a reach.

So Haye won a couple rounds. In fantasy land where Unicorns gallop and Championship fights are set for 4 rounds that's something to hang your hat on but the fact that his scale tilts far more convincingly to the 'L' in the biggest fight of his professional life will be first and foremost. I really don't think you do him any favors at all by using some also rans as a measuring stick for his accomplishments vs Wlad where it's as plain as day that his sence of self preservation trumped his confidence and belief in victory. You don't get to to 'kind of' lose like that or be awarded brownie points for moral victory on a Championship elite level.

[Gandalf]

Miles, I struggle to see how you can be in survival mode yet continue to land several solid right hands through out the fight
Infact the best punch of the fight was in the 12th round. It's nonesense.

You know, the only difference between this fight and the Valuev fight was that Wladimir found a nice secure home for his jab.

When you throw half the divisions average of punches you are in survival mode. You aren't trying at that level. Sure he tried to land something mad in the last round, but that was it. Nothing more than a final bitch slap to suggest that he tried.

[ninjaspy3]

Ninja bud did you hurt your toe as well I mean I am as stubborn and loyal as the next guy but really mate you've moved beyond putting lipstick on a pig to going for the full scale fashion show. Respectfully man this is far beyond a reach.

So Haye won a couple rounds. In fantasy land where Unicorns gallop and Championship fights are set for 4 rounds that's something to hang your hat on but the fact that his scale tilts far more convincingly to the 'L' in the biggest fight of his professional life will be first and foremost. I really don't think you do him any favors at all by using some also rans as a measuring stick for his accomplishments vs Wlad where it's as plain as day that his sence of self preservation trumped his confidence and belief in victory. You don't get to to 'kind of' lose like that or be awarded brownie points for moral victory on a Championship elite level.

Im not trying to do Haye any favors. Im posting this because with some of the comments, I feel like maybe somehow people's grip on reality got lost somewhere. As long as we have been watching Wlad fight, as many grim performances as we have seen, and it seemd like everyone has amneisia now, and somehow this is the worst thing that has ever happened. I just think people's negativity toward this fight is ilogical and over the top considering the fights that took place before.

[El Kabong]

At this point in time why should ANYONE be surprised at Wlad's skill? He's won 14 fights in a row, he's defended his titles vs the best unified a few of them and look at the division, nobody out there has been ducked, nobody out there is all that scary, and Wlad is a young 35....he could go on til he's 39 like his brother.

I do enjoy all the paper tigers out there like David Rodriguez that said "I'll KO both Klitschko's" ......yeah, sure you will princess, your 35(33 KO)-0-0 record looks great....until you read who you've fought. Owen Beck, Andy Sample.....wow how do you not have a belt already

[generalbulldog]

Da Chavs ov Britain r still down wit da Hayemaker. Ya na mean bruv?

[Gandalf]

Da Chavs ov Britain r still down wit da Hayemaker. Ya na mean bruv?

You are starting to annoy me with your anti-Brit thing. The chavs are no different to your trailer trash. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack the Brits? You have a god awful sub population too, and yet you ignore that.

I only ever attack your political elite, but you seem to really hate English people. You are better than that.

[ninjaspy3]

Very well. I give up. But some of you guys should really re-watch some of those "classic" fights.
That may help provide a little perspective.

[El Kabong]

Very well. I give up. But some of you guys should really re-watch some of those "classic" fights.
That may help provide a little perspective.

....Cheer up, there's good news for Haye and his fans.

Odlanier Solis' manager just called Haye out....perfect comeback fight IMO. Avenge an amateur loss, go for a KO vs one of the "heavyweight bums" he called out in the past.

Though I highly doubt 50k show up to watch that....it would still be a good fight for Haye.

[generalbulldog]

Da Chavs ov Britain r still down wit da Hayemaker. Ya na mean bruv?

You are starting to annoy me with your anti-Brit thing. The chavs are no different to your trailer trash. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack the Brits? You have a god awful sub population too, and yet you ignore that.

I only ever attack your political elite, but you seem to really hate English people. You are better than that.

As you Brits say, it's just taking the piss.

[Gandalf]

Da Chavs ov Britain r still down wit da Hayemaker. Ya na mean bruv?

You are starting to annoy me with your anti-Brit thing. The chavs are no different to your trailer trash. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack the Brits? You have a god awful sub population too, and yet you ignore that.

I only ever attack your political elite, but you seem to really hate English people. You are better than that.

As you Brits say, it's just taking the piss.

In that case it's okay. I hate inbreds as much as anyone.Brits, yanks, koreans....i hate all their inbreds.

[Fenster]

That's some seriously subtle ownage.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Ninja bud did you hurt your toe as well I mean I am as stubborn and loyal as the next guy but really mate you've moved beyond putting lipstick on a pig to going for the full scale fashion show. Respectfully man this is far beyond a reach.

So Haye won a couple rounds. In fantasy land where Unicorns gallop and Championship fights are set for 4 rounds that's something to hang your hat on but the fact that his scale tilts far more convincingly to the 'L' in the biggest fight of his professional life will be first and foremost. I really don't think you do him any favors at all by using some also rans as a measuring stick for his accomplishments vs Wlad where it's as plain as day that his sence of self preservation trumped his confidence and belief in victory. You don't get to to 'kind of' lose like that or be awarded brownie points for moral victory on a Championship elite level.

Im not trying to do Haye any favors. Im posting this because with some of the comments, I feel like maybe somehow people's grip on reality got lost somewhere. As long as we have been watching Wlad fight, as many grim performances as we have seen, and it seemd like everyone has amneisia now, and somehow this is the worst thing that has ever happened. I just think people's negativity toward this fight is ilogical and over the top considering the fights that took place before.

your not alone Ninja. Illogical is a perfect word imo.
Going by some of the responses i'm reading, we may as well be speaking in another language. I guess you either get it or you don't

It does make me laugh though. All this outrage, disgust, sensationalism and even toegate..! It's all a bit too biblical for me. Or is it a witch hunt

If I asked Saddoboxing "Should we still stone Wladimir Klitschko?" They'd all scream "No! Lets stone David Haye!!"

[Mars_ax]

Very well. I give up. But some of you guys should really re-watch some of those "classic" fights.
That may help provide a little perspective.

It might help if we knew what the point of your OP was, am I missing something? Those "classic" fights have fuck all to do with the HAREmaker's shitty performance, and Wlad is what he is.

[Andre]

I sincerely appologize for creating yet another thread which mentions Haye and W. Klitschko, but there is one thing I feel we need to clear the air about.

The majority of posters on here have berated Haye's performance and called this a shit fight.
But- be honest now. Was this fight worse than any of the following

Let's see here...

Wlad vs Samuel Peter - I think the only action in this fight after we got through the first rounds consisting mostly of clinching, was watching a slow plodding peter try his best to land something... anything on Wlad. Failing this, Peter was KO'd. Bravo, good fight.

Wlad vs Eddie Chambers - If I'm not mistaken... I think Chambers may have actually hit Wlad once. Not sure though. The body slam was pretty cool. Waiting till the end of round 12 for a KO that was due way earlier was.... well... it is what it is.

Wlad vs Ruslan Chagaev - Chagaev moves forward, tries to hit Wlad, cannot, gets tied up, knocked down, and stopped. Hmm he might have hit Wlad once or twice as well.... Im not sure. Wlad probably forgot if he did as well.

Wlad vs Hasim Rahman - Ahh yes, I remember this fight... barely. Poor Rahman never stood a chance. Did he hit Wlad once? I dont feel like watching the fight again to find out. But I do recall a one sided no hope beating.

So in retrospect, how bad was the fight we witnessed on the 2nd. My God, Haye won about 2 rounds. Who was the last person to win ANY rounds against Wlad. The last person to go 12 rounds with Wlad was..... Yeah, no one wants to even think about that fight.

Berating Haye's performance and calling it shit? Hey, I resemble that remark.

You must be talking about Peter's 2nd fight with Wlad, because in the 1st fight, Peter knocked Wlad down a couple times.

So your point is what ninjaspy? Since Haye manages to win 2 rounds and survives the 12 rounds and in your opinion did better then all the other losers you mentioned, he's special and deserves credit? BTW, didn't Ibragimuffin go 12 rounds with Wlad?

Like I said on the fight thread, Haye survived the 12 rounds and didn't get KO'd, lands 2 or 3 effective shots on Wlad, and wins 2 rounds of a 12 round fight, that's about like winning 2 races at the Special Olympics, yeah you won, but guess what, you're still retarded.

I resemble that remark.

The last person to use that was a real jester I belive it was Groucho Marx.

Are you sure you didnt mean to write resent or did the nasty auto correct have its way with you?