Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Well become a ref then if you don't like it. Holding and pushing are strategic...are you saying holding when you are hurt isn't a STRATEGY

Wlad does hold at some times where I am like "What the hell are you doing?" but it's not like Ruiz where you can tell when he's going to do it right after ever single punch he throws

Yeah Corrie Sanders beat Wlad but he was swinging like a god damn gorrilla he's lucky he caught him honestly. I have no issues with that loss, other than lean on him Wlad would have had to cover up and play defense anyway...he decided to brawl and he got caught flush nothing wrong in getting caught like that happens to everyone. Also Corrie was a southpaw and a power puncher tell me that doesn't throw a wrench in anyone's game plan

LG have you ever seen heavyweights fight out of a clinch from let's say the 6th to 12th round..no they are bigger they run out of steam faster it's difficult for them to do it. And if you tie up someone's hands they just plain and simple aren't going to be able to fight out of it. Clinching is a part of boxing..the key is when the ref says BREAK you break, and Wlad does that.
No I am saying it is a strategy. but an illegal stradigy.which should be penalized .. Dude you could say that throwing low blows is a strategy, does not make it legal mate !