I tell you what, if you think it is that good, I'll rent it this weekend and give it a chance.

I'd love for it to be better I really would, I'm still PES deep down. I couldn't really give ashit about the real player names and the kits, it's a nice touch, but the actual game is far more important. Although it is good fun to get thrashed when playing as my beloved Plymouth Argyle!

All the things you said about FIFA (scripted, feels like its on tracks, all goals look the same) was what I hated about PES last year, it felt like they had taken the bits I'd always hated about FIFA and made that integral to the gameplay. The animations were screwed last year too, all players ran like they were in the paralympics!

This years FIFA is the best football game I've ever played I think, a few glitches, but nothing that has affected me too bad.

I'll let you know how I get on with PES, I was going to get Gears of war 3 this weekend, so PES best be good!