Can’t agree with either take. Foreman never bothered with boxing skill until after his hiatus post Young so when he entered the Ali fight the heavy favourite it was based on all the clubbing’s he doled out prior to that. He would simply trap and over power his opponents. Guys like Frazier and Norton volunteered to fight Foremans fight and we all know what happened. Ali used the ring, dazzled him with speed and frustrated the hell out of him by refusing to stand still. Foremans punches looked like they were in slow motion and were at many times open handed thrown from the parking lot. Masterful performance by Ali who also took Foremans head out of the fight before the bell rang to start the contest.

The Thrilla in Manilla is a very fan friendly fight and I can’t even guess how many times I have watched it over the years but it wasn’t really that close. The cards were and are indicative of the fight I watched and I was a huge Frazier fan. Prior to the stoppage the scores were 166-160,166-162,167-162.

If people want to watch a fight that Ali lost but won then they need to watch the Jimmy Young fight. Time and time again I can’t give Ali more then three rounds. The Doug Jones fight is another close one regardless of LoScalzo’s lopsided card.