Interesting conversation too.

Got off track slightly though,this was about closing off loopholes in old laws in Europe allowing people with huge resources to gain ownership of popular grown natural seed types not gm ones. Which would force the market in a way that would make those seed types eventually untouchable and if you had your own stock and seed already, eventually you would still have to prove it legally against them and we know who would win so thats not defensible against their lawyers.

Mansanto in 2005 took over the majority of USa grown produce by buying Seminis group.

Seminis then controlled 40 percent of the U.S. vegetable seed market and 20 percent of the world market—supplying the genetics for 55 percent of the lettuce on U.S. supermarket shelves, 75 percent of the tomatoes, and 85 percent of the peppers, with strong holdings in beans, cucumbers, squash, melons, broccoli, cabbage, spinach and peas. The company’s biggest revenue source comes from tomato and peppers seeds, followed by cucumbers and beans.


That sort of forced many organic growers into niche markets and away from the more popular varieties (which has other benefits for them and us as consumers, theres no denying that).

Still, the cornering of the market legally by such giants has its obvious mass product benefits and affordability to the masses but in the long run we'll all pay (my belief is we'll pay in health via their chemical practices in addition but we'll save in the pocket).

Be nice to able to choose which type of veg as well as organic or gm instead of being forced out into the rarer types at more expense and the reverse occurring where people cant afford choice.

Also these mass companies using their own chemicals: they know the use is accumulative in animals and our human system and drops our natural immunity levels until eventually the weaker part of the natural system becomes a cancer risk (I buy into that belief).
Im not linking chemicals to growing for any reason other than its their business practice for profit.