THAT, was NOT "Boxing"- Klitchsko vs. Povetkin.

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right we are discussing who would have won if the fight was under the rules of boxing arent we?

you might be right, i might be right but that fact is we will never know because it wasnt and it wasnt even close to being a fair fight, not even close

do you honestly think wlad would have dominated like he has if he was made to fight every fight?

and my opinion is we dont know if wlad is the best HW in the world or not

I see what you're saying and I used to argue it myself, but I think using the Povetkin fight is a bad example. With or without it, Povetkin had nothing to offer Klitschko in terms of an even fight. He's not on his level.

I think the Haye fight would have been much more interesting if he wasn't allowed to lean & hold but alot of fighters use dirty tactics. I've learnt that Boxing is about what you can get away with in a Boxing ring. Hatton used to hold and maul fighters and it was bending the rules. Really, if the referee is doing nothing about it then my advice to foul him right back. The sport couldn't be dirtier anyway. Broner kicked Malignaggi in the balls this year for fucks sake. Watch Bradley try and headbutt his way to another decision on Saturday. Until something is done to govern the sport correctly, "name" fighters will go unpunished, shady judges will get away with handing out dodgy decisions and the same referee who did nothing about blatent fouling will go out and do the same job next week.

Wlad is highly skilled. He wins his fights. I think he's proven he's the best out there. If he's fouling, it is up to the referee to stop him. Otherwise, it's fair game.

i honestly dont think you can say whether provetkin would have had more success or not because every time he moved forward wlad held him

and i dont think you can compare wlads holding to hattons, hatton went in punched, stoped for a second, did a bit of grappling then punched again

wlad jabs and then holds and leans and does anything but punch

and all of the other cheating you mention is not anywhere near the extreme of wlads, wlad holds and leans every few seconds of every round,

I can accept that there is an arguement to say that if you stopped wlad from holding then youd have to stop bradley from head butting, i think in terms of extemity a better example is ward, but even ward whos hit and hold tactics are extreme, they arent even in the same world as wlads