Regarding Toney.

As I said, if Bernard Hopkins was faced with some novices he would probably not get to the final over 3 the rounds format. Toney has always been a slow starter. He pushed Lucas Browne 12 rounds this year while weighing 250lbs. Lucas Browne just beat up Hayes top sarring partner

Toney still has something to offer over 12 rounds. Those who haven't boxed don't and say he looked fucked over just 3 rounds, don't realise how much more intense the pace is over those 3 rounds than pacing yourself over 12.

Get a world class marathon runner and ask them to do the 100 or 200 meters. 2 different things. Put Gavern in with Toney over 12 and it would be a different story, even though Toney could have got the nod last night.

Gavern landed a clean left hook on Toney and dropped himself

Regarding Joshua. Yes he's looking ok and looking more impressive than Hughie Fury over the same level of opposition but just as Price was he is not learning how to handle any pressure as yet and to be fair he shouldnt have to as hes only had 3 fights. Just remember though how impressive Price was looking before facing someone who doesnt fall over before you go over board in praise.

In fact I think hes going to suffer the same thing as Price in that hes too powerfull and sharp for the likes that hes supposed to learn against and when the time comes to move up, he wont have had any real hard learning fights.