Quote Originally Posted by amat
Quote Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
We aren't talking "resume's" here. We're talking about size, power and speed. And I'm sorry but Ray was a master of the basics at a time when the other fighters he fought weren't. Ray had ability but you go 30 years and nowadays if you put a fighter in the ring who fought the same way as Ray had the same speed same body type, same structure, and he would be beaten within 20 fights.
No he would not. I REALLY don't beleive that and I have a hard time thinking that very many would agree with you. Ray Robinson was ages ahead of his time as far as boxing goes. BK was right about 147 and Robinson peaking, but I watch Robinson fights and I see a guy who if he fought today, would be a P4P top fighter. He made no mistakes. The only L's on his record are fights he didn't take seriously and showed up the day of without even knowing who it was he was fighting. He had no flaws in his system like RJJ did, he had the fundamentals mastered, RJJ didn't, and he had pinpoint accuracy, beautiful combos, brilliant speed (even by today's standards) and strength to match.

SRR at 160 beats RJJ by UD imo.

And SRR beats everyone but MAYBE Mayweather at 147/154 today. But the jury is still out on Mayweather.
I think what angel is saying and you're missing is, those fundamentals he mastered meant nothing compared to someone like Roy Jones - Robinson had never seen anyone like him much less fight. Yes SRR was lightyears ahead of his time but if he fought today he wouldn't be, just the simple truth IMO. Would he still dominate? Sure you bet your ass but he'd have a few losses too. And because of their size difference this match is a bit unfair, and the chance of it going the distance if Roy was determined to end the fight, is very low partly because of that fact alone. Thats not even mentioning Roy's physical superiority - yes he was bigger so the standard is that he should be slower but not in RJ's case. People can preach Roy Jones and fundamentals all day long but the fact is he made a career of making good fighters whether you like to believe it or not - look ordinary without the use of fundamentals. As far as the styles colliding I can't really comment, no earthly clue how it would turn out but you know what I think

size matters