Scientific Fraud

[bcollins]

NOAA admitted to the warming "plateau" in their 2012 State of the Climate Address and RSS the satellite data backed up this claim. People no doubt say "It's nothing, it means nothing unless this plateau lasts 20 years". This warming "stagnation" is a model buster....but I suppose that means nothing.

I'm not going to launch a satellite, I'm not going to start collecting my own data because I'm not a scientist and while I suppose your point could be to get me to admit as much but again the professional scientists have been wrong which is why NASA and NOAA have revisited their computer models and made adjustments. Are the adjustments better? Closer to the truth? Who is to say? Scientists made predictions for an ice age in the 1970's that has not come to fruition. They've predicted warming and the stagnation poked holes in that theory. Now it's a general cover all of climate change by using hand picked random weather events....I mean what's the difference between Y2K and The Mayan Calendar and these Climate scientist when they are fudging data and/or skewing data to achieve the hypothesis they want. No empirical data, no correlations, models that are consistently wrong....why trust that science? If you're looking for answers and you're constantly wrong then you're no different than someone not looking for answers or one who is wrong on purpose.

But go ahead and ridicule me

Nope. Not getting off that easy. You come on here and start bashing scientists and making claims that you read on other websites and choose to believe based on your expert understanding of science. Then you make specious claims with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back it up, again because you read it on a website somewhere. That's not good enough.

Your claim is this: There has been 0 warming since 1998.

I just gave you a wealth of places to search for data sets that are already compiled. It took me all of five minutes to find reputable sources who publish their data online free, with complete transparency, for all the world to see. That's how the scientific community works. Results must be independently verifiable. You now have access to every bit of the data used by both those who agree with your claim and those who rebut it.

You came on here bashing my profession. I'm calling you on it. Either you show me some kind of evidence - any kind of evidence - that is based on the data, or you quit acting like you're privy to information that the rest of the world isn't.

If you make a claim, you have to be able to support it. That's what science is. Your opinion is great and all, but it doesn't mean diddly squat without some concrete evidence. When you make a claim, you have to back it up. All you keep doing is blathering about how the science can't be trusted, that it's incorrect, that models don't work - with absolutely no understanding of how the science works.

"...when they are fudging data and/or skewing data to achieve the hypothesis they want. No empirical data, no correlations, models that are consistently wrong....why trust that science?"

You keep claiming they "fudged" data - that has already been shown to be a completely disingenuous claim, made by people with other agendas than pursuing the truth. You keep babbling about these things as if you understand them. You have already shown that you don't understand what a model is or does. I doubt you have any understanding of the relationship between data and correlation. I just provided you with multiple links to access all the empirical data you need.

I'm tired of your ignorant ranting. I'm asking you to do a very simple thing. Back up the claim you've made, using basic scientific techniques. This isn't graduate level work. Take the data and find a damn line of best fit. That's the most simple technique here - it's high school statistics. If you can't do that, find someone to help you do it. I would much rather you learn how to perform simple analysis for yourself - then maybe you can better discern the truth instead of relying on the interpretations of others.