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SlimTrae
The last bum was Shufford? And it took 6 rounds to stop a bum? Well, you said it not us!
I stopped after the first round- I can’t think of any fighters I like who are tentative against the bums they fought.
The Shufford fight was nothing less than an outstanding performance from Klitschko as noted by Merchant, Steward and all the commentary. Only an agenda driven moron could not see that.
Yeah Wlad took 6 rounds to stop a 234lb bum, remember that. Tentative=smart.
If I remember rightly straight off top of my head, Muhammad Ali took longer to stop a 180lb bum who basically knocked him out the previous round and had to cheat to survive. He then LOST to a green 190lb bum which he later avenged only by decision too. Luckily.
So Wlad fought Leapai—who just lost to Malik Scott- who lost to Chisora LOL!
Alex Leapai 30-6 (30-4 going in with Klitschko)
Malik Scott 37-2 (Undefeated going in with Chisora)
Dereck Chisora 20-5
All very high quality opponents.
Then there was Povetkin who Teddy Atlas kept away from Klitschko until they were forced to fight him (7 plus years to get his first title shot at age 34?) that’s not protecting a fighter? so much for his own trainer thinking he was a superb boxer
Undefeated and never knocked down in over 300 fights ammy+pro combined.
Francesco Pianeta ? I saw his fight with Robert Teuber- his legs are spread way too far, he doesn’t fight tall, even though he is like 6'5 he got smalle when throwing & this guy is superb?
Never said he was superb. I just said he was a quality opponent. Undefeated, very strong.
Wach has fought the same guys everyone else is fighting, Tye Fields, Kevin McBride, Travis Walker. Not saying they are bums at all, but How can I call them quality fighters either?!
You can call them quality fighters by comparing them to the champs opponents opponents of previous eras. Guys like Fields, McBride and Walker are several notches above champs opponents opponents of the past. Just a tad lol
Tony Thompson is good for ESPN fights, but c’mon man, Tony is a world class fighter? After losing to Pulev, he lost to some dude named Carlos Takam, so what Takam is a superb fighter also?
Tony IS a world class fighter, that is the only way to define him. He fought closely with Pulev who is also a world class fighter and loss to Takam, another superb boxer, yes that's right! Your catching on
And if we say yesteryear’s HW’s are todays CW’s then how does that sound, then turn around and call a former CW in Mormeck a world class fighter…who is a legit HW? And the dude is what? 43 years old?
Yesterdays HW's were todays CWs because they were either sub 200lbs at weigh in or around 210lbs or so which is what CWs today weigh at fight night. When Mormeck fought Klitschko he was 217lbs or approximately the same size as prime George Foreman except much more athletic!
He got a shot at Wlad for beating Vinny Maddalone? An ESPN fighter who you can see fight at Chicago UIC Pavillion for about $15 a ticket. Oh & he fought Fres Oquendo a 42 year old fighter who hasn’t been ranked top ten since Bobby Brown and Whitney Houstan were married.
Previous champs opponents (Ali, Holmes, Louis etc) got shots against the champ by LOSING fights or by beating a string of bums, sometimes even cruiser bums! Rendering your point here particularly ridiculous! It's never been more stringent to get a shot at the champ! Anyway, Mormeck got his chance because he was a decorated multiple world CW champ, a bit like the Spinks brothers getting there HW title shots don't you think
Except Leon was a green bum cruiser whereas Mormeck was a veteran quality HW at fight.
David Haye…man according to Wlad…David Hay talked his way to the title..I agree.
Fight hype. Everybody wanted to see Haye vs Klitschko and Wlad knew it. Haye was among Wladimir's best opponents.
Sam Peters is the only legit HW I can see so far. He was a legit threat, Heavy handed fighter. One dimensional, but he had swagger and Wlad beat the swagger out of him.
Legit win IMO 100%
Agree.
Eddie Chambers is an overachiever, fat, unmotivated, but pretty skilled. I’d say a legit win.
Eddie Chambers is a defensive master of escapology and among the fastest HW boxers of all time.
Chagaev barely won a decsion over John Ruiz, and fought about as scary against Valuev as Haye did…so who did he beat to get a title shot? Oh, Povetkin.
Chagaev is an outstanding boxer who was HW champion of the world. Ruiz was also a former champion as was Valuev. And yeah it's a little hard for ANY boxer to fight scary vs Valuev who stands 7' tall and weighs 320lbs! Dummy! LOL
Then there is Rahman who got a lucky payday against Lennox and has never beat a top tier fighter since. Had Lennox beat Rahman, who would Rahman have claimed he beat of noteworthy to NOT be called a BUM on Wlad’s resume? Oh, Monte Barret, the guy Valuev beat like a ragdoll.
Rahman, Former champ 2 time, mightily strong, wins over Berbick, Sanders & Lewis, robbed against Tua, unusual stoppage from haematoma vs Holyfield, drew with Toney, solid record, yeah, quality opponent!
Ibrigamov? Not sure, I think he was average, but losing to Wlad made him quit. I credit Wlad for that.
If you call bashing Briggs and Holyfield average and basically retiring rich after Wladimir because there was little else he had to prove, he had been HW champ, then your call. I would say, quality opponent!
Brewster is a pretty good gatekeeper and can stop a guy who isnt on their best.
Brewster was a great American champ, quality opponent, SuperFrazier.
Correct.
Calvin Brock was a heavy handed fighter with little skills, BUT Wlad proved him a pretender not a contender, good job.
Brock was good skills, Wladimir simply shut him down with unbelievably good skills.
That leaves me with Chris Byrd and once again Sam Peter. Not Wlad's fault he has dominated in a weak era.
Chris Byrd, another defensive master and among the fastest boxers ever, another former champ with solid record, and PEter, feared puncher, solid record. Quality opponents.
In all of boxing history there is only a single resume that stands in competition and that is the resume of Lennox Lewis. Wladimir's resume outshines any other boxers resume so brightly it's like brown dwarf star companion lost in the glare of a blue supergiant (Wlad).
Fact!
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