Quote Originally Posted by bilbo
Quote Originally Posted by Missy
0 evidence for evolution, I guess not if you've never studied biology or genetics. Let's make it nice and simple and deal with something we can all grasp.
In a modern day setting it is FACT that on average people (UK/US and several other european countries) are getting bigger at least over a 40 year period i.e taller/heavier due to improved diet/healthcare/lifestyle changes. On average bigger people produce bigger people. Genetics.

It is not for those who are on the side of evolution to argue for it. That is for the creationists.

Your first hurdle is to prove that their is a god to have created everything. Please prove a negative for me.

HI Missy,

Thanks for your interesting commentr but unfortunately you have only the vaguest notion about what evolution actually is and so confuse natural selection with macro evolution.

The changes you rightyl observe in humans and of course other animal and plant species are results of natural selection, and I completely and 100% agree that natural selection is clearly a demonstrable process, mankind has been using natural selction for thousands of years, the domestication of animals, crops etc.

However all of these changes that occur within a species can occur because the gentic information, the code if you like to allow for these changes is already present in the organism.

So for exampe when selectively breeding dogs, a breeder will pair one typr of dog with another, the male and female dog both contributing half of the chromosome's and genetic material each.

Thus you can isolate certain traits and characteristics within dog species by selective breeding to produce all kinds of weird and wonderful looking dogs.

Eventually however, and in complete contrast to evolutionary theory, if you isolate dog kind enough so that end up with for example a poodle, what happend is that there is now just not much information within that gene pool. The genes have been isolated to the degree that there is now not enough genetic informtation in the dog for it to 'evolve' any further.

AS you will well know, pure pedigree dogs such as this are usally far less healthy than mongrel dogs with a healthy mix of genes, they live shorter lives and in many cases can no longer breed.

In order to create any further change in this species it has to be mated to a completely different type of dog in order to reintroduce some genetic variety back into the species.

This of course runs in complete counter to evolutionary theory and simply makes it impossible for a dog to evolve into something that isn't a dog.

These are very basic laws of biology of which Darwin, writing in the 1800's obviously had no idea.

We know now for a fact that natural selection alone cannot account for macro evolution, that is the creation of new material and genetic information into an organism that wasn't already present.

Instead of just dismissing creationism as rubbish and saying evolution is clearly true I offer you the same challenge.

Go to an evolutionary wesbite and find a single example of macro evolution, that is new information being added to an organism that leads to it becoming a new species of animal.

As the whole of life on earth occurred this way you would expect for there to be many documented examples but strangely there are none whatosever.

I will say that again, and challenge you to prove me wrong, There is not a single example in the entire evolutionary literature of new information appearing in an organisms genetic code that was not already there.

This alone destroys evolutionary theory.

Instead of just saying evolution is true creationism is rubbish try and refute my arguements
actually what I said is valid, dinosaurs got to big to survive outside influences, all those fatties will die out the same. I win you lose.

I state again it is not for me to prove myself correct. You have presented nothing except gee I can't imagine all this happened over a long time.


Prove god exists and then we can discuss.