Ok so I've watched a fair share of his fights, and how can a person say he would still be great today if he was fighting? Sure in his day he was great, but he is flawed in so many obvious ways I was shocked at how people still say he had great defense and the like... First I watched Lamotta fight where at times Lamotta would land 4-5punch combinations on Robinson... I saw no tricky footwork I saw no ability to counter of the ropes without reckless abandon. Sure Ray had all the skills for his time heart, speed, power, but he isn't as fast as Roy Jones or Mayweather, Mosley, etc. He could throw big combinations, but nobody put their hands up back then... It would be like hitting a back... when Ray would hit somebody with his first punch their immediat response was to punch back instead of covering up. His timing was nothing special. I could expect other places to say overexaggerate his ability in less knowledgeble forums, but never here. I think people who say he is p4p the greatest ever should watch his fights again from a non-biased point of few then say if his defenses measure up to the likes of Mayweather or WHitaker... if his combinations where as quick and deadly as Leonard, Mosley, Taylor, or most of all Jones.