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It would be fairer if we listed the negatives about Crawford's opposition, like has been done for Loma, instead of focusing on only positives. Or at least acknowledge the positives of Loma's opposition.

It's easy to pick holes in any fighters record and spin it however you want. The pro-Crawford camp instantly say - "too small" - about a bonafide P4P elite in Rigo whilst ignoring Gamboa was a natural featherweight who moved back down to 130 after facing Crawford. His only fight at 135 he struggled to a PTS win over Darleys Perez, a man Crolla and Campbell knocked out before losing to Linares (the supposed weak resume guy who was a three-weight champion and WBC and WBA and Ring at 135).

Postol? Best win is a "shot" Matthysse, then lost against a 12-0 British prospect.

Indongo? Best win is an upset over a "shot" Burns, then got annihilated inside 6 minutes by Prograis.

Beltran? Just the 7 other losses besides Crawford for a drug cheat.

Diaz? Benavidez? Dulorme? They haven't even won an alphabet between them.
It is easy to do, I'm only trying to point out that there are probably around 8 guys that could all make a claim as the best fighter in the world. All there records can be picked apart to an extend, but to call any of these guys' records superior to any of the others doesn't seem right to me, which is the only reason I pointed out some of Crawford's record, as I have stated, I wouldn't have Crawford or Loma as my #1.
I understand.

But your breakdown of Crawford's record showed just how weak it is (imo) and you were trying to overplay it. You haven't once played all the positives about Loma's competition.

Loma, Mikey, Wangek, Shiro, Crawford, Uysk, Inoue, Canelo, Golovkin - some have better opposition, some more titles, some more divisions and some quite simply look better than others. There is no right or wrong.
I wasn't trying to overplay Crawford's record at all, just trying to give a fair breakdown on how I see it. There were guys like Benavidez who could be compared to Walters, you could have Horn in that group, Dulorme although not great has arguably beaten Ugas and Vargas in his last 2 fights, could be compared to Marriaga etc.

I think Loma's record is brilliant. I'm pretty sure I've said that before, I don't want it to come of like I think it isn't. I just don't think it's superior to these other guys. That is really the only point I'm trying to make here. I do think Mikey's record is slightly better, but that's just my opinion and we went through that before. Like you said there's no right and wrong here.

I haven't really gone into Loam's record because I have been either presenting my opinion on Mikey's record or trying to explain that I don't feel Loma's record is superior.

Russell Jr is probably Loma's best win for me. In only his '3rd' fight. Gary was 24-0 and has arguably the fastest hands currently in the game. That fight is actually a treat to watch. Since then he's 5-0, with wins over Jhonny Gonzalez KO4, arguably the #1 guy when Gary fought him. Escandon KO7, not elite but bottom top 10 or just outside the 126 rankings when Russell Jr stopped him. And his recent win over Jo Jo Diaz W12. 26-0 at the time, a former US Olympian. Again not elite but definitely a current bottom top 10 guy.

Linares is a fantastic win. That would probably be my second best win for Loma. You have listed his achievements previously.

Then I think I'd go Walters RTD7. 26-0-1 when they fought. Best wins over Darchinyan and Donaire. Should have also got the nod, instead of a draw with Sosa. Also beat the tough Marriaga.

From there probably Rigo RTD6. Former 2 time Olympic gold medalist. 17-0 going in. Recognized as the Lineal super-bantam champ. Had everyone from Donaire, Frampton Quigg and Mares (did I forget anyone?) running up in weight. Best wins over Cordoba. Ramos is a solid win. Donaire. Former elite bantam Agbeko.

I'd probably have Martinez next KO5. A 3 time WBO super-featherweight champ. Fought Salido twice. Handling him pretty well in the 1st fight (this was 1 fight after Salido had beaten Loma), the other fight was a draw. Other good wins include Cook, Burns, Burgos is a solid victory, and Diego Magdaleno.

That's his top 5 for me, but you also have to acknowledge that he defeated Sosa, and the tough Marriaga. He also took Salido to the brink, in only his second fight. Some even feel Loma should have got the nod in that fight.