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I don't think that I am the one constantly calling Robinson and Benjamin fascists but I can see why people would be justified in calling them that. They are ultra nationalists. Tommy especially. You can hardly claim someone who joined the BNP and then started the EDL and named himself after a football hooligan, is a moderate in any way, shape or form. He doesn't just have previous it is an extremist position that dominates his life. It seems you will never accept this whatever he does because he represents something else to you, and that is because you have relied on only heavily distorted propaganda to come to that conclusion. I understand it is the same ignorance that made Ben Shapiro call Andrew Neil a lefty this week

You can see how Tommy really operates here in the video below. Remember this is some English twat in Ireland threatening an Irish citizen with violence so you can maybe see how daft the idea of Tommy giving a shit about free speech is or the rule of law. And no there is not one shred of Patriotism in Tommy, quite the opposite he is funded by American and Zionist interests to the tune of many thousands of pounds a week. It is very easy to find these links form Rebel Media, The Middle East Foundation and Australian far right groups. Reps from all these groups can be seen with him everywhere as he tours the UK with his rent a mob.

http://youtu.be/UxqFZI9dDbo?t=1571
Well if they aren't fascists then why would Antifa harass them? Is Antifa expanding like the LGBTQIAA+ movement? What is the difference between "ultra nationalist" and "fascist"? I'm very curious as to what an "ultra nationalist" is.

Who exactly is claiming these things of Tommy as he is at present? Everyone who has seen ANY interview with him at all knows his past. His past is always brought up or hinted at. Has he not changed at all?

What does Ben Shapiro have to do with this? He lost a debate so what he had the balls to have a debate. Carl Benjamin has done an entire tour of debates even debating the very man who eventually threw a milkshake on him because I guess he didn't have the words to counter Mr. Benjamin so I guess physical attack will have to do.

I'd rather we not talk past each other so again, I seek to understand how you obtained your views and so I asked questions hoping you'd take me down the path and show me how you came to believe how you believe which would of course lead to perhaps my better understanding of your thought process which in turn would mean less bickering and perhaps some commiseration on some topics....however I seem to have been met with you presuming to tell me how I came to hold my views. That is curious....would you care to expound on specifically what made my synapses fire as they have?
Because you are at least 10-15 years younger than me. You don't live in the UK. I am pretty sure until the last couple of years you would not have even heard of anti-fascists (it would explain how you can with a straight face post Clash videos holding the views you do). You speak about being anti-fascist as though it is repulsive whereas I can probably count more than a hundred friends and colleagues who would use that term to describe themselves including family in their 70's and 80's. You are entitled to believe what you want but if it is not based on experience and just the very one sided views of those supporting Benjamin and Robinson, you will never find a balanced opinion.

I have never once seen such unashamed and unquestioning dumb loyalty and near fan/idol worship than that found on the Benjamin,Robinson, Peterson etc media hubs. Never in the last 30 years has anything but cultdom approached the sheer religiosity of it all. it is a strange fervor in which everyone just pats each other on the back and says how wonderful the objects of their adoration are.

Shapiro did not lose a debate he terminated an interview because he just assumed stuff. Like your dismissal of the BBC. The BBC is so right wing that they have let the most inept and cruel Tory party in history go unchallenged for years. THey have repeatedly had Farrage on, somebody who could not garner enough votes to become an MP.

UKIP who you think represent the people are not exonerated because their corrupt talisman Farrage has left, they are just as guilty as before. Whether it is ties with Cambridge Analytica, Bannon, the aristocrat and money launderer George Cotterell, the deaths of Kenyan election officials while then UKIPS and CA's Alexandra Phillips was working there.

These are not conspiracies or the past these are the real dark forces shaping Britains future. Gandalf will latch on to the simplistic notion that the EU are the corrupt ones and that UKIP are the squeaky clean saviours of a sovereign state but everything points to the opposite being the truth. Look at yourself urging people to create violence on the streets to push what you think is the natural conclusion of a referendum because of your own political beliefs. I don't remember you and Gandalf having a dog in the fight.

Personally I have never been under any illusions about the corrupt nature of most politics, the EU included..but...and it is a big but. I will not let my childrens and grandchildrens future be jeopardized and ruined because some Neanderthal Alpha males want to put the countries dick in a blender to signal their own supposed virility. I have nver asked for the referendum result to be overturned or pretended that all Brexit voters were fascists or far right Neo-Nazis. Others have claimed this but I would ask them to show me where i said such a thing.

That does not mean a WTO deal which would sink our economy and rip up any ties or progress with our close neighbours, relatives, friends and colleagues was what the majority of those voting out in the advisory referendum wanted either.

We are in limbo and it suits our competitors down to the ground.

Farrage accepted those bungs because he openly admitted wanting to move and settle in America. Dress that up as patriotism if you like but you know it is nothing of the sort.

Tommy wants the same thing.

I am not telling you how you came to your views. That is abundantly clear. It is a bit like Gandalf claiming to be left wing or a socialist etc while dissing Marx, Corbyn etc and anything on the left. You too have brought up people claiming they are lefties in America speaking now for the right and everyone of them are just prepared stooges all with a history of doing nothing but diss the left.

It is like cognative dissonance. You have already made up your mind and then look for stuff to confirm it and anything that contradicts that view gets binned.