I have young family in the UK too, so it is personal for everyone. A lot of what you were saying had nothing to do with the election and it is you sniping with sell out etc when I haven't voted for anyone. I simply do not see it like you do and the Johnson thread is where people can discuss how it evolves.

Let us not pretend that Labour was not vile last time they were in power either and no one cannot pretend the Tories have been decent. Personally, I would prefer something else completely, but the reality is Labour wouldn't listen on the issue that mattered the most to people and as can be seen in the voting map only seemed to see a London bubble. There are pockets of traditionalism out there but that is a blue country at large now.

Johnson might be good, he might be terrible, but the truth is America has been a good ally historically, we have much in common culturally, and the truth is they bailed us out a few times in the 20th century because of Europe. Maybe Europe can play fair this time too, but it is a new age and the ups and downs can be discussed.