Great shape isn't being a great athlete, and no Chavez, Trinidad, Hopkins, Quartey, and Barrera were not great athletes... They are relatively slow punches while two or three of them have power its not to same degree of something like George Foreman, and Zab Judah is faster than Evander Holyfield P4P, hits about as hard p4p, and has much better reflexes.Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales


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