Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
Why would MAGA riot when Trump's holding all the cards? Doesn't make any sense, does it. Why would Trump supporters burn cities to the ground when their guy's in the White House calling all the shots. We can go back and forth on this all day long and unfortunately we're not going to get to a point of agreement.
Which is why there were so many right wing violent protests when Obama was President....oh wait, no that was BLM too!


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You've dredged up instances of violence from the left which is commendable, considering how much it pales against the violence from the extreme right. Because if you're gonna mention obscure cases like Bernie Sanders..... then I'm sure as hell going to mention the dude that drove hundreds of miles, egged on by Trump's anti-Hispanic fiery rhetoric and fear mongering about the so-called invasion of the border..... and gunned down 20-some people at an El Paso Walmart. If we're going to go tit for tat... we'll be here all day. But while you strain to find examples to throw at me, you keep missing the big picture here, which is that Trump's supporters include the anti-government, 2nd Amendment chest-pounding, and in many ways bigoted people who take "America first" to an unhealthy extreme and use this chest-pounding to wake up their own twisted little prejudices and such.
Michael Reinoehl, Willem Van Spronsen, Conor Betts, Charles Landeros, and then there's the folks who died in the Chaz and the folks who died in the riots and who did those killings? but I can tell you who didn't. Heck the guy in El Paso said he was following the guy who shot up Christchurch New Zealand and said the ideas he had came well before Trump.

It may take a while to put Trump in proper perspective, but he's not the baddy he's been made out to be. If he's treated like he IS by the Democrats, Republicans, Media, Big Tech...then the next "populist" that has a groundswell of support is going to be more extreme, not less and that's "populist" as in the Left OR the Right. And THAT will be something to really be fearful of and worried about.

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Right. Antifa=bad and Proud Boys=good. 100 percent of the time. When the Proud Boys aren't fighting back against the violent Antifa anarchists... they're helping little old ladies across the street at busy intersections. Again... we're going nowhere fast with this argument.
If Antifa was held accountable for their actions there would be no need for the Proud Boys.

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I'm saddened that you've been called a Nazi, bigot, white supremacist, etc. I would never do that... and furthermore I don't believe for minute that you're any of those things. Do I vehemently argue back with you about what I think about Trump and many of his blinded followers (including the ones that DID break into the Capitol and caused bodily harm)? Absolutely!! But that's just you and me disagreeing over a whole bunch of stuff.
Yes and I appreciate our disagreements that we're able to have them minus the name calling, the harsh rhetoric, and ill feelings. I appreciate your taking the time to respond to me thoughtfully and respectfully.


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I read the rest of your paragraph and it saddens me even more. That you would have such a pessimistic view of the future now that Trump is no longer in the White House is totally depressing. I wish I could assure you nothing will change that will affect you, your family, or your business. But unfortunately the TOTAL CLIMATE has changed in the U.S.... and I'm not talking about global warming. I'm talking about the unprecedented HATRED that has been engrained into the American public by that waste of oxygen called Donald Trump. Continue defending him if you will. But as they say..... "the buck stops here" and he's never taken responsibility for ANYTHING he's fucked up or encouraged to get fucked up. American became a hatred filled country under HIS watch..... nobody else's. You can't blame Obama on this one. America voted in a totally unfit human being to lead the most powerful country in the world. You can't possibly be of the mentality of "damn the torpedoes full speed ahead!" The world around you matters. Trump tried to force America to dance to HIS tune. And as a human being he is... what can I say... I hate to use the word because it's been used against Trump supporters and I wouldn't do that. But I'd use it against Trump. It's the "D" word.
Trump being in office or out of office isn't the concern I have my man. The concern is the same as it ever was, it's Liberty (the side I'm on and you're on and most people like to believe they are on) vs Tyranny and I'm not saying you're on that side, but this is a CULTURAL issue, it's a CURRENT EVENTS issue, and it's going to be not so great for about half of the nation...and then it'll be not so great for half of that half and so on and so on until we're on the Chinese system. And maybe that seems a long winding trip down a crazy road, but I see what Big Tech did to Trump, I see what Big Tech did to Parler, I see China and their Social Credit system (aided & abetted by Big Tech) and that's our future brother. THAT and CRT critical race theory and Intersectionality...those will continue to chip away more and more at what America was founded on and has been aspiring to be. Trump was working towards ending those teachings...and now Biden and the Left re-embraces them.

If you don't know what I'm talking about just study up on the Cultural Revolution because THAT is what I'm talking about.

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What POSSIBLE good will come out of trying to torpedo Biden's presidency before it even gets off the ground? Is THAT going to help YOU personally? Or your family? Or your business? I'd bet not.
We have a system. The system works because people trust it. If people question it and come to no longer trust it what happens? The system fails. And then what? Chaos, violence, a struggle for power. Very serious consequences, DIRE consequences.

So we've got a large group of people and they don't trust the Election. What do you do? Not answer them? Tell them "sit down, shut up you lost"? Or do you provide evidence of a clean election? Provide more transparency, provide VOTER ID, provide reasons for those doubters to trust you. That's not being done, it's not even on the radar and therefore Biden's Presidency is already on very thin ice owing to no fault of mine, no benefit of mine or my family's.

What good came of torpedoing Trump's term? It hamstrung what he was able to accomplish....and Biden should expect no less. It isn't as if the Democrats have or will operate in good faith.


One of the managers of this impeachment Rep. Eric Swalwell slept with/was compromised by a Chinese spy.....does that fill you with confidence? It doesn't fill me with any.