Today In Biden Land

[Beanz]

What you are both basically saying (Walrus and El Kabong) is that you do not consider hate speech or crimes motivated by hate of a minority to be crimes at all.

They may sound harsh, but that is exactly how dismissive you are being of a reality you just refuse to acknowledge. I realise that the UK is different to America but in this country we have had laws against hate speech since 1986 and Specific Hate Crime legislation since 2003.

One of the most overlooked reasons for the Criminal Justice system existing in the UK (and i would imagine in America) is to learn lessons from crimes so that future crimes can be prevented. Recognising the motivation behind crimes is a massive part of that. You may not care about the fact that the victim was singled out because of their colour, or their sexuality, or their religion or because of their disability but that does not make it irrelevant. In fact in can often be the crucial and primary motivation. To deny that would be monstrous.

BUT NEITHER OF YOU ARE THE VICTIM.

Criminal prosecutions are not primarily about protecting the rights of the criminal. They are about seeking justice for the victim and helping to keep the general public safer from future crimes that may be carried out by the perpetrator or others who share the same motivation.

That is why it is so important to acknowledge the hostility, prejudice and resentment that fueled the actions of the criminal. You by demanding they be ignored or denying not only the victims an acknowledgement of the EXTRA suffering you are denying society the chance of learning from that and trying to prevent it happening again.

The term handicap is a classic example of how easy it can be to remain ignorant. In fact your whole tone and argument. Most Disabled people in this country hate it and the idea that someone should need to be helped to have access rather than that barrier not be created without an alternative provision is just as mistaken. That is what digging in your heels and covering your eyes makes possible.

And no Nazis are not a protected minority at all. Their whole idealogy is about restricting not just the free speech of others but often of killing and maiming them.

It does you no favours when you refuse to respect the rights of a minority not to have to face hostilty and discrimination based on something beyond their control when you then in the same breath pretend that the free speech of Nazis and other bastards actually is something worth protecting.

It is hardly surprising then that people would draw very sane conclusions about the very unsavoury views/rights, you seem to be more worried about defending.