Canelo eyes another lame zebra

[TitoFan]

I gave Canelo both fights, without issue.

I don’t get the controversy. It’s just idiots with the Mayweather effect, just hoping he loses.

GGG wasn’t good enough then and isn’t good enough now that he is older.

I am not like a “super” Canelo fan or anything either, but he won.

His only option is to go to LW (which he has done again) or CW, as there is literally no one to test him, short of somehow getting to the weight to fight Crawford.

Which he won’t do because it’s pointless and he destroys Crawford in a few rounds.

He really shows that level matter. He is just levels above everyone.

Beterbiev is not even worth mentioning because he is a scumbag from a scumbag country.

You thought Canelo won both GGG fights... fair enough. I would venture to say you're in the minority, if I were to base it on opinions you read and hear across the board. But such is the nature of boxing decisions.

Your comparison to the "Mayweather effect", as you call it, is (if I'm to be kind) puzzling to say the least. I never liked Floyd the person... and many times rooted against him. But in no way does his resume and Canelo's compare. Floyd went headlong into challenges, undefeated record be damned. Other than the Pacquiao fight, which took way too long to materialize, Floyd faced all comers. No weight draining... no diva clauses... no marinating. You can't say the judges were bought because most judges probably wanted him to lose also. Floyd was, for all intents and purposes, not a very likable guy.

But Floyd's list of opponents over the years reads like a Who's Who of boxing. Most were at or close to their peak. Floyd never jumped two divisions to grab a trinket from a woefully weak belt-holder simply for the trinket's sake. And this is all from a person who never liked Floyd.

So spare us the "Mayweather effect" comparison, please. It does not apply here. If you can't see how Mayweather's and Canelo's careers have been way different, I'm afraid I can't help you there.

Has Floyd regressed into a carnival act? Fighting bozos like McGregor and Logan Paul? Absolutely. An ATG of his caliber cannot stand being out of the spotlight. But that's neither here nor there. When he was actively fighting, he fought many of the best out there. There was never this preconceived, carefully put together strategy to preserve his precious "0". In fact, several times he came perilously close to losing it.

BTW... nothing wrong with being a "super" Canelo fan. Own up to it.

Hey Tito! Hope you are good. i’ve read over the message, however I don’t have the time to reply right now buddy.

I will reply soon. 👍 once again I hope you and yours are good.

Hi Vendettos. Same here bro.

Look... I know some of what you're going to say. I'm just a Canelo hater... and so on and so forth.

True... I've never sympathized with Canelo ever since he started his career being brought up more gently than a prematurely born baby.

I've always been adamantly against hype... and when hype precedes the reality or even worse... when the hype is created by a media starving for a handsome, matinee idol star... I'm totally against it.

I could've predicted Canelo's career path ever since he followed the tried and true formula of "let's feed him 50 corpses in his own backyard to start his career"... and let's bloat his record to sell him more easily.

Even staunch Canelo defenders admit to his having truly lost several fights on his way to the top.

But again... the only way to get a decision against Canelo in Vegas (his backyard) is to threaten the judges at gunpoint.

But you mentioned "the idiots with the Mayweather effect" and that had to be addressed.

Again... I've disliked Floyd the person for a long time. He's not as bad as Broner... but not a very likable chap. So I've no reason to root for him.

And yes... I rooted against him many a time.

But I gotta call a spade a spade.

Starting with Diego Corrales, Floyd went on a tear of fighting great opposition, many of whom were perfectly capable of defeating him on a good night.

Save for Arturo Gatti. That was a predictable one-sided slaughter.

Baldomir was nothing to write home about... and JMM was woefully undersized and should've never taken that fight.

But by and large Floyd fought all comers... and they posed credible risks.

My memory may fail me... but I just don't remember the negotiation shenanigans with Floyd that were a staple of Canelo fights. Again... the Pac fight should've happened years before. But that's another story.

Floyd never ducked anybody. He never let fights marinate. The opposition was there... Floyd faced it.

Cotto gave him a pretty good fight. Maidana gave him a hell of a fight.

Floyd never starved anybody. He never dragged anyone to his weight. (Again... save the JMM fight).

Floyd did all this... while being one of the most disliked champions in boxing. To me... that just adds to his greatness.

Sometimes we gotta tip our hats to fighters we don't like.

But it's gotta be real.... not manufactured.

If Canelo fights Bivol on the level... good for him. About time he started leaving this shit show behind and take some real risks.

i am a staunch canelo supporter & think he has only lost two fights on his way to the top. did floyd have to threaten the judges at gunpoint to get the decision? floyd did not go on a tear of great opposition after diego. i'll give you jose luis times two. floyd didn't fight all comers. he should have fought joel or acelino. kostya. winky. antonio or miguel instead of retiring. pac around two thousand ten. sergio around two thousand ten. those guys would have posed credible risks. the pac fight is definition of marinate. floyd didn't face the best opposition when it was there. floyd wanted a catchweight with canelo & he brought dinamita up two weight classes. canelo fought an unbeaten austin. followed by an unbeaten floyd. he fought erislandy. an unbeaten ggg twice. danny. callum, billy joe & caleb were all unbeaten champions as well. & now canelo is scheduled to move up in weight to face another unbeaten champion. seems pretty real to me. austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg, danny & callum, maybe even billy joe were perceived risked when canelo fought them

Wait a minute, is this long post a way of you trying to convince people Canelo is better than Floyd or higher in lists or something?

I don't think even tic is delusional enough to say that... although sometimes I wonder.

Suffice it to say that boxing is one of those sports where if you try hard enough... you can build up or tear down anybody's resume by picking and choosing.

tic, you went to great lengths to talk about who Floyd "didn't fight" rather than who he "did" fight. Amateurish tactic.

I noticed you didn't mention Carlos Hernandez, who he faced right after Corrales and who... to those of us who do know something about boxing... was more than just a credible opponent (Hernandez, that is). Strike one.

You also skipped DeMarcus Corley who, before he stayed way too long and became a punching bag for rising fighters, was one of the avoided fighters in boxing. Before losing an SD to Zab Judah and the UD to Floyd, he won a fight against the very highly regarded Randall Bailey who, again... for casual fans who may not know who he was, may not mean much.

But no... you choose rather to choose names of those he didn't fight, like Casamayor and Freitas. If Floyd had fought them instead, you would've been chirping about how he didn't fight Corley or Hernandez.

I mentioned Judah. You didn't bring him up either. The very dangerous Zab Judah who Floyd faced at that time. But no... you choose to mention how Floyd didn't fight a much bigger Winky Wright.

Hey dude. If you're going to go down this road... up your game.

Let's talk Ginger now.

Please don't talk about Floyd vs Ginger catchweights and save yourself the embarrassment. Ginger was visibly bigger than Floyd, and got shut out, schooled, no-hit, and just plain humiliated by an undersized ATG who showed the world that Ginger never belonged in the same ring with him. Only Ginger's adoring masses made that fight possible. It was like an intermission in Floyd's career. He's even talked about how easy it was to defeat Ginger. And the "gunpoint" reference? Puzzling as all hell, but not important enough to even ask about.

You talk about the fighters that Ginger fought, but you fail to mention the laughable opposition he's had. Amir Khan. Ring a bell? The idiot jumps up TWO weight divisions, and gets smacked into oblivion by a stationary Ginger who only had to land one punch. Some competitive fight, huh?

How about Rocky Fielding? Should I go on about him? Why didn't you bring him up, tic? Because he was a trinket grab? How about Yildirim? Why didn't you mention him?

Catchweights and marinating. Those words weren't even on the boxing dictionary until Ginger came along. Before Ginger fighters just fought whoever was next on the queue.

Now there's a fukking computer that spits out risk/reward numbers on prospective Ginger opponents.

But that's what MILLENIAL boxing fans like... so who are the rest of us to judge?