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Great stuff, Pantera! Miranda certainly doesn't mince words and makes a very compelling and sound argument. DiBella may be
bashing Miranda verbally, but I wouldn't want to be in DiBella's company when he thinks of the fallout of such a matchup. I'm certain
the feculent stench from his soiled panties would be unbearable.
One of Miranda's traits that I like the least. He's about as mouthy as Mayorga...remains to be seen if he can back it up against the elite though.

I'd love to see him fight Taylor.

I think that Wright has too much skill for him.

I honestly believe that he'll have another ruff night against Abraham. That fight was give & take & broken jaw or not...Abraham hurt Miranda also.

I'd rather him fight someone like Mora, Lorenzo, or Duddy...some of the lower teir but skilled middles. There's plenty of time to get to Taylor...but let it build up...let the rivalry sell the fight instead of your mouth.


I certainly agree to a large extent. But I think Miranda deserves a lot more than fighting the likes of Mora, Lorenzo, or Duddy. He proved on the world stage that he could compete with a World Champ when he fought Abraham. There are many Abraham detractors, but the man still finished the bout even though he appeared to have a melon growing on the side of his face.
We see H.W.'s like Briggs getting a shot at a title for fighting a who's who list of washed-up bums. Miranda has been in there with a solid and crafty Middleweight Champ. I don't understand why he should have to wait any longer by fighting second tier opponents...just don't add up to me.
Because he still has stuff he needs to work on. And 'hanging in there' with a Middleweight champ he didnt win(even though it was a huge with the point deductions and etc) no matter what he still didn't win which means he isnt "there" yet, he may be close but he's not "there" and it would be wise not to rush him in their again until he's "there"

Just like Vargas was 'hanging in there' with Wright his people assumed he was 'there' already so they put him in with an already 'there' Trinidad and you saw what happened.

Let Miranda get 'there' before they put him in with another guy like that.
Well, you make a valid point in terms of him still having a lot to work on. I'm just wondering what kind of measuring stick you're using to assess when he will be 'there'. I don't think the Vargas analogy is appropriate as I never thought Vargas was a top-tier fighter. He just always looked like a hungry kid with a lot of guts and not an abundance of talent. That's not to say that I don't think Vargas is not a talented boxer, that would be stupid. I just don't think that all of the training in the world couldn't have prepared him for Trinidad. He couldn't get beyond DLH loaded to the tills with anabolics, although in both fights he showed his warrior grit.
What David Reid's management did to him was throw the sheep into the wolves' den; nevertheless, I'm rambling.
Point being:

Miranda looked more than capable against Abraham. And I fully agree with Wacky that he lost the fight and was hurt by Abraham. I'll concede to both of you and offer this proposal:

Miranda vs. Pavlik with winner fighting Taylor for the title. In light of Taylor's recent comments about his dislike for the sport, I don't see him being around that much longer. The question to ask is whether he'll bow out or get knocked out.