Quote Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
i don't consider toney or PBF to have unorthadox defenses
Really?

Well they do..No doubt about it...You need some serious skill to pull of the shoulder roll and counters teqnique....
James becuase it works so well with his punching style..And Floyd because i once saw him do it for at least 30 40 seconds strait under none stop punches..Just roll away from the left capture the right over and over against phillip Ndou..
Very nice...
Seriously one ina million can use this type of defence and be effective at total world class level...
And considering neither fighter has been stopped..But if your not on the money with it your open..
That is really something.
Toney has a unique defense,its hard to duplicate because of the requirements.

first. lose a fight and then complain for a rematch

1) come in hugley bloated and overweight.
2) have a lethargic punch output
3) bend WAY over and expose the back of your head to your opponent
4) when he pounds ya in the back of the melon,whine like crazy.
5) after you lose,show no respect & complain about the judging
6) act like you accomplished something because the guys bigger than you,you used to be small and in shape long ago, and even tho' he beat you from piller to post and knocked you down in the second. Since he didn't actually KO your fat ass,you somehow earned a "moral" victory.

Add to this the stubling around the ring all off balance and there you have it!
The JAMES TONEY SHUFFLE!