Quote Originally Posted by p4pking
Basically it comes down to whether you weigh accomplishments higher than a fighters abilities and skill in the ring. Personally I would say that Bilbo's list is fine. DLH, Hopkins, and Mosley may not have all been very active against world beaters as of late.. But I think they are 3 of the best fighters p4p in the world, regardless. For instance, to have Hatton ranked over Hopkins or Mosley at this stage just does my head in. He beat Tszyu what, 2 years ago... And since then hasn't faced anyone who is even close to p4p status. Now if I felt he was one of the 10 best fighters in the world Id have him on my list anyways, but I simply see no way he is better than say, Mosley, Hopkins, DLH, Israel Vasquez, either Marquez brother, etc. My top 10 p4p, for what it's worth.

1. Mayweather- pretty clear cut.
2.Winky- He and Pac are interchangable for 2 and 3...
3.Pacman- Except, I remember most had Pac 3rd behind Winkster after he stopped MOrales in the rematch. The 3rd fight showed us nothing new imo.
4. Calzaghe- How anyone in their right mind would have him towards the end of the list, let alone behind Hatton, baffles me. He's a great fighter, who admittedly needs a big win. But like I said, Id rather judge a fighter by what I see than on a what have you done for me basis..
5.Hopkins- Shouldn't have dropped off the list after losing to Taylor, but for what it's worth Tarver was ranked no.8 p4p in the world by Ring Mag before Hopkins beat him.
6. R.Marquez- This guy is a monster, can't wait for him to fight Vasquez.
7. Barrera- He has probably been off the top 10 list for a total of 3 weeks in the last 10 years, and still chugging along. Cant wait for him to fight Marquez, but worry he could get old very quickly now.
8. Mosley- Still have to see last nights fight, but unless Wacko was that shitfaced , it sounds like he was very impressive and back on form.
9. Israel Vasquez- Complete warrior. Really really love to watch this guy, he has a great resume and is underrated.. Plus to take Ghonzales and now R Marquez back to back is insane.
10. Jermain Taylor- for me he's just scraping by, needs to really come out and make a statement imo. You could say but he got a draw with Winky.. Well, I think he lost, and that the only reason he did as well as he was able to is because he is a bigger man.

HM: Juan M Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Jhonny ghonzales, Ivan Calderon, Jorge Arce.
I like your list p4pking. To me Taylor isn't all that either but he's got the decisions whether we agree with them or not so a win and two draws against Hopkins and Wright by far the top two middleweights in the last 5 or 6 years then he needs to be ranked.

I agree with Calzaghe as well, he's rated below Hatton by nearly everybody which to me is just crazy, Calzaghe has skills!

I will go with you and El Gamo regarding R Marquez, I just don't know enough about to him to be honest.

JMM gets a chance to break into the top 10 with a win over Barrera, in fact he would go in pretty high , around 6 or 7 I think.

I expect Vasquez to be handled easily by R Marquez to be honest.