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Who did Toney beat at supermiddle that was better than Calzaghe?
At super middleweight...nobody!
Thats My whole point !

Toney is a talent but he is not what he could have been by a long long chalk .

I just can't understand how bypass a division and then get soft fights at heavy and be called a great .

Toney did nothing at Lightheavy , very little at Supermiddle, and after 5 years fighting in boxing backwaters won a cruiser title !

That does not for a minute in my mind make him an ATG.

I was not a fan of Lennox Lewis but he was an all time great he beat the best time and time again and stayed champ despite massive obstacles .

Toney is not worthy of such high esteem .

Good yes great no .
I have always been a fan of toney for being so old school, fighting the best he could when he could. i don't know if he should be called an all time great tho, to be one, surly one should have to completely dominate a devision, mix it with one or two ATG's and keep it close, or win? something i don't think toney ever did. People talk about off nights, toney had many of them, losses an ATG wouldn't of had on their record, controversial and split decisions too.