Quote Originally Posted by mokele
a messianic Jew (a Jewish person who believes that Christ was a great spiritual teacher who continued and expanded the teachings of Moses).
Actually no, it is a jewish person who believes that Yeshua is the chosen one, the annointed - the prophetically promised messiah. That is decisively different than 'great spiritual teacher' which is someone just like the rest of the herd except way out in front as in very special but not qualitatively unique. Messianic Jews are Jews who are Christians but are still fully Jewish in religion and culture. They don't have to 'convert' to become Christian because it fulfills Judaism, in their view. "Hebrew Christian" on the other hand might be a Jew who 'converted' to a more common form of Christianity, like became a Roman Catholic or a Baptist or something and quit being culturally Jewish.

But as has been pointed out, this has nothing to do with the thread and I apologize profusely for expanding on this unwelcome tangent.

Except ... lots of boxers have some form of belief, and many express it in the ring, and when they win they sometimes credit the lord with giving them the victory. It's not quite so clear what they say to or about God when they lose.

Hamed, now - he was destined by Allah to win a victory for Moslems everywhere. Then MAB happened along, and destiny became dust. Does MAB worship a more powerful God? One is tempted to refer to the contest between Elijah and the prophets of Ba'al. "Come on, you priests of Ba'al," cried Elijah. "Call louder. After all, Ba'al is the god of fire, isn't he? Surely he can send down a flame to light the wood and burn up your sacrifice…. Maybe he is busy talking to someone. Maybe he is away on a trip…Oh, I know, perhaps your god is sleeping. You must call louder to wake him up."

It has nothing to do with Judah or this thread but the notion that two fighters can enter the ring, each trusting their God - sometimes the same God! - to give them the victory, and take victory as a sign of answered prayer - it would make for an interesting article in some erudite journal: "Theology and the Warrior Class in the Twenty-first Century: Personal Faith and the Right Hook." Or in a boxing rag: "The Sweet Science and The Good Lord."

Ah, ok, back to the thread. I think Zab deserves great respect for going the distance. He dominated four rounds but got outboxed by a superior boxer. But he didn't get beat so bad that he quit on his stool in the 11th round, now did he? (And do I disrespect Tzyu? Not hardly; and he quit against Hatton, a lesser boxer as time will tell than PBF against whom Judah went the distance.) Why not respect Judah?

He deserved to fight PBF, he did well enough, not good enough, didn't get shamed, just beat cleanly. Respect is due.

Now he becomes a high-end gatekeeper. So it goes. No one's saying that he has been exposed as a club fighter, are they?

Will Judah-Gatti ever be in the works? It would be interesting to see what Judah could do against a club fighter like Gatti.

'Course, he'd have to pray a little louder than he did before fighting PBF.