Quote Originally Posted by p4pking
Quote Originally Posted by amat
P4P deals with ability right? I know you have to have some names on the resume, but P4P deals with more of the talent thing. Because Oscar has been beaten way better fighters over the course of the career, and on the all time list of the GREATEST fighters, rather then BEST fighters, I have Oscar higher then I do Floyd.

And another thing, Taeth, when you rate P4P, you rate other's against THEIR ERA. That's how it works with all these list because we all know that any top 10 featherweight of today would beat Pep because the sport has evolved such. So you rate it against their era, otherwise the P4P list would almost be exclusive to the last 30 years.
And Robinson was basically perfect, there are clips of him, and there are writers who you have to put great stock into. Because, in that remarkable run of 96 straight undefeated fights, like 5 of those were even recorded. So it's a two way street, you're underrating him basing him off of fights that you saw when he was past the point to where people rate him number 1 P4P.

Anyways, like I was beginning to say, P4P was a term created for Robinson because of his amazing talent and up to that point, not the highest profile opposition. So Oscar has great wins, much greater then Floyd's and just about every single other person in all of boxing, but Floyd has better skills. So on the P4P list, Floyd is going to be very high. I have him somewhere in the top 10.

But on the list of the greatest fighters of all time, which deals more with quality of opposition and longgevity, and things like that, obviously Oscar is going to be ranked high. When I made my last list I think I had him high at number 18 or something like that. Floyd probably is not top 20 yet.

But this is P4P.
I completely agree... But the thing is, that far too many peopel don't realize this. They literally think that SRR could have beaten say a Hopkins or even Hagler at middleweight. He couldn't have. No fucking chance.
Of all the ATGs Ray robinson is the one that quite possibly could even then if taken out of his era and dropped into modern boxing would most likely still become champ...ray robinson would easily beat b-hop....ray robinson was a stronger version of shane mosely...not to mention he would walk down most of the middleweights today and possibly kayo them late...did i forget to say that he fought for 0ver 25 years...in three different decades....besides b-hop is great but he was still just an interim MW champ because the real champ vacated the division