Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
Yeah but if you break someones arm thats a massive lawsuit and aside from breaking their arm just putting them in enough pain to say that they quit won't nessesarily mean that that ends the fight. I don't think people should be trying to break arms in street fights unless you're doing a mob hit on someone that owes you money but i'm also not stupid enough to believe that just because i frown upon it doesn't mean somebody's not gonna do it to me.

Most fights do go to the ground so a wrestling background would help out but being able to end it before it goes to the ground would be better. I'm aware that there is no perfect fighting style to get the edge on every opponent you'd go up against but i'm saying from a practical sense submissions are either overkills or not enough. If you break the dudes arm and F*** up of his muscles of course hes gonna quit attacking you but i think thats a bit extreme for retaliation against an unarmed dude and so will the courts if he presses charges. If you don't break his arm he'll just say he quits and then probably keep on fighting when you let him go. You know there's no "stun" level to them. It's either kill (not literally kill but extreme damage) or minor zap. Now self defense if the dude popped out a gun or knife they'd be a lot more reasonable but one on one i just don't see them being practical. I'm not saying they don't hurt, i'm just saying they either work too well or not good enough there's not that inbetween thing to where you'd make them quit but they wouldn't be hurt enough to press massive charges.
You can rebut all you want bro, those werent my opinions they are bona fied facts From careful and applied research I'v done of styles from Various "Clowns" throught history

I have been in situations were I had to tear wrists etc... so in a fight with a relentless attacker tha name of the game is survival, if I have to break than I break... I have a family to go home too