Quote Originally Posted by Taeth
Quote Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Taeth as much as a enjoy your comments I think you are showing your a** on this one.
I don't understand how? I'm saying he's an ATG, and that he beat some good fighters, and he was as complete a package as they came. However because in certain aspects such as speed some guys were still so much more superior than him that they would beat him because of a certain advantage that why he is overrated because he can't beat anyone at middleweight, and Leonard proved that.
Leonard didn't prove crap. Leonard proved that he could wait until Hagler had been through one war to many, throw ineffective, weak shoeshine punches, and steal a fight. In that fight, Hagler beat Hagler. Hagler didn't fight a smart enough or active enough fight, and he still won the fight IMO by one or two rounds. He let Ray steal that one, bottom line, and if they would have fought before those battles and age took the edge of Hagler, Ray would only proved the could count light on the ceiling.

But as usual, Taeth, you have a good point point mixed into your madness. Hagler, though he had twice the heart, would have probably lost to Jones, prime for prime, though I would pick him to beat Hopkins.