And would just like to point out what you said you don't have to suck up to the MODS at all i have had some debates with Memphis but we are mature enough just to keep it with debating and not let it get into name calling i remember i had little problem with Mick aswell he pmed me and we sorted it out imo Mick is cool guy i respect his opinion he gave P4P a chance and he didn't change there isn't much else you can do.