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and going down the same path as sheika's loss, look at joppy - got his a** handed to him by tito in 5 rounds, yet 2 years later losses to hopkins on points, but when people talk about hopkins they bring up joppy as if he is a good scalp to have have...
Nope not me Preme i don't think Hopkins Middleweight reign is much.
That's kind of interesting; I'd be curious to know your opinion of Hagler's reign over the divison. The reason I ask is because they are very similar. Like Hopkins, Hagler's biggest victory was over a former welterweight (Hearns and Trinidad) known for his big punch. Like Hopkins, the quality of opposition during the reign was questionable. If you look at Hagler's 12 successful defenses, other than Hearns only Antuofermo and Duran (fighting 25 pounds above his best weight and 5 years outside his prime) were former champions and only Obelmejias would ever become a champion (he eventually won the WBA 168 championship from Chong Pal Park and lost it in his first defense). Was Hagler's reign "much" to you?

To me, they were both impressive reigns; they did not duck anyone and fought every top challenger to come along. It wasn't their fault that they were head and shoulders better than anyone else in their division.
Good question bro i'll try and answer that for you i think beating Hearns is more impressive than beating Trinidad because Hearns was much better at Middleweight than Trinidad was because Hearns was much more comfortable at higher weights remember his KO in first round over James Shuler ?? remember he beat Hill at Lightheavyweight when Virgil Hill was undefeated and remember he floored Leonard twice at Supermiddleweight and remember his one sided beating of Dennis Andries at Lightheavyweight Hearns showed in Hagler fight and other fights after that he was comfortable at higher weights and beat some very good names and still had the power where as Trinidad only fought 4 times at Middleweight and it was obvisious he didn't have the power at Middleweight and was dominated twice by Wright and Hopkins and especially when i see him in Hopkins fight and i see Trinidad hit Hopkins and it didn't bother Hopkins and Hopkins was even able to fight Trinidad on inside and beat him.

And as for Marvin's reign it is similar to Hopkins reign with Hagler's best wins against fighter's moving up in weight like Duran and Hearns i have noticed that when boxers rule one division like Hopkins, Louis, Hagler, Holmes, Calzaghe, you tend to notice the names on the record aren't that great.
Thats the problem tho ice, when you rule a devision you are the champ, the guys you beat never have time to win belts or establish anything real, they either have to move up and people say they were out of their weight, or they are on the up and get called overrated or to green...

when guys move up, they normally move up to fight other 'big names' and by then are to popular for everyone to scream and shout how overrated they really were...
Agreed
ah well its taken about a 100 pages but we agree on something in here

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When im debating about Calzaghe's opposition Preme i say most of his opposition have been poor but i don't deny he hasn't beaten the best in his division the only guys he could of fought are Ottke who didn't want anything to do with Calzaghe and Beyer but i didn't see Beyer calling out Calzaghe so you must understand mate im not saying Calzaghe has ducked anyone or ect its not his fault he doesn't have Benn Eubank Collins or Watson in his era he can only beat the man in front of him and Calzaghe has beaten the best in his division sadly for him most of them names have been weak but now he finally has a name like Kessler and if he beats him he will finally get the props and can leave Supermiddleweight division and chase after some big American names if you understand that mate.