Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205
Quote Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
Even though Calzaghe's era has been weak there was no one really else to beat in his division he has beaten everyone over the last 10 years the only name he could of fought was Ottke who wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe so people have to take that into account.
Good point. Joe did face everyone in his division & it's not his fault that it was a weak era. Eubank has some interesting things to say about Joe & they are generally positive & in his favor. Agreed & I can't believe that I actually forgot to mention that.

Ottke was mortified of Joe...that aint subjective or biased either...he knew he had to keep his record & he knew that Joe was gunning for him.

Quote Originally Posted by miles
Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock
Calzaghe like it or not is an underachiever and has been under Warrens protection for years. Unless you really pull his tits he wont step up. I mean look at the Lacy fight for instance, and Fwock all you that say Lacy was garbage, jeff was slow, lethargic and flat from the get go. Not saying Clazaghe wouldnt have won but any real Lacy supporter could see he wasnt right from the opening bell.

My point is that Jeff was the Juggernaut of the division he beat anyone in the division he ducked no one nor did he cleverly pick his fights, as a matter a fact during the negoiatians for the Hopkins VS Taylor 1 fight when Taylors people were dragging their feet Jeff offered to step in at a catch weight just to fight!!!!! So Lacy's credentials were their but Calzaghe dragged his feet and was more than happy to take on BS people until he and Warren couldnt dance around it any further. Then when he domianted Lacy and EVERYONE thought he would come out of his shell and finally do the superfights he should be doing and take on Kessler. Calzaghe follows that spectacular win up with of all people SAKIO BIKA!!!!!!!! the guy fighting on the contender Then while Kessler is clearly worthy and the biggest threat to him skill wise Joe has an opportunity to Tie Hopkins record with a superfight with Kessler and take a risk to legitimize, what does he do He decides to Champion mediocrity and for his potential record tieing performance he tries to convince us that Retarded Petey Manfredo is the banner fight to do it. They go on a press tour and he campaigns this fight as worthy and viable and bona fied.

You know what, that is Calzaghe career in a vacuum not man enough to take the risk unless someone holds a gun to his head and now that palles and the public have twisted Calzaghe's tits till their blue he can not run from Kessler any longer since he is a Puss in the court of public opinion

Joe has golden talent and ability but it all means nothing since he has a paper heart. Congrats Sven Ottke Joe Calzaghe hope you are remembered the way you want to be
Its a shame that you think that way, JT...

You are very wrong!

Good points miles...& yes JT is wrong...but his favorite fighter is Lacy...so you can't blame him for being upset. I know that I was when Joe just utterly destroyed him...but if I aint mistaken...I tried to ease everyone the idea that that was a HUGE possibility.
Dont even go there I had given and given Calzaghe his props over and over and still do you want to call me on the carpet. your responses(Miles,Wacko) are no different than mine who annointed you two Boxing Gods please Its funny how we are all spin doctors and pro backer offers when it comes to our hereos .

Not to mention you cant(Miles,Wacko) even counter with an intelligent argument, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE OF YOU EXPRESSED DISPLEASURE OVER CALZAGHE'S LAST 2 OPPONENTS and how he followed up the Lacy smattering.. I especially know you were Wacko, so dont even try to turn tail