Well you could also say you saying that ice had a moot point because he said Trinidad carried was a natural welterweight and then you say he carried his power but i say he did not have the power at middle weight to fight the way he fought in the lower weights that means he lost power along the way and just i say that is all i have to say about doesn't mean i am right or wrong it means that was all the points i think i need to make so you know were i stand did not say you were wrong or no one else post their opinions stop taking what i said and say there was a hidden message when there was not