Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205
Quote Originally Posted by eagle
Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205
The Roy vs Joe @ 168lbs arguement kills me.

Roy fought Toney, Antoine Byrd, Pazienza, Thorton, Sosa, Lucas, & Brannon. Everyone ups Jones so highly off of those opponents at 168lbs & that list really aint S***. I'm sorry...but it's not. The only worthy name there is Toney. Paz was waaaaaaaay past it. Brannon was much to talk about nor was Byrd or Thorton. Lucas was so so.

Those are a bulk of names, outside of Toney, that hold no merit...but everyone lambasts Calzaghe for dominating his division at a weak time...but it's not like Jones fought the strongest opposition at 168lbs.

Roy was a marvel at 175lbs & that is where he fought his best opposition.
Roy was a marvel @168 too. Instead of hanging around at 168 where the opposition was weak he moved up. No doubt RJJ could have had 21 defenses @ 168 if he'd tried. Again i agree Joe has the better record @ 168 but if the RJJ that fought at 168 had fought Joe at any time in his career Roy would have won. I'm not saying Kessler was overrated or taking away from Joe's achievments they are great, he is a great great fighter, but i do not believe he is better than RJJ was at 168.
The proof is in the pudding.

If Joe moves up & fights 6 fighters at 175lbs & then retires...I wouldn't say that Calzaghe was better @ 175lbs than Roy was.

Joe did more & fought a better list of fighters @ 168lbs...you can't spin that too many different ways. Again...Roy WAS a great fighter...but he was great @ 175lbs where he established his dominance.

Also...nothing is certain regarding the RJJ at 168 walking through Joe...but it is fun to speculate.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.