Quote Originally Posted by Britkid
Quote Originally Posted by bigragu
Get off the crack BRITKID....Dempsey and Marciano not all time greats? wait lemme guess you have Hatton as the greatest WELTERWEIGHT of all time already don't you.. thought so..probably think Judah is second to Hatton in the p4p.
Dempsey and Marciano do not fully meet my criteria at the moment. They are huge icons of the sport, no doubt. But both lack in the quality of opposition and both have small redemption issues, to make it into Boxing Valhalla.

As for Ricky and indeed Zab Zab, time will tell....

Below is the 35 fighters, I consider all-time greats:

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Archie Moore
8 Jimmy Wilde
7 Willie Pep
6 Sandy Sadler
5 Georges Carpentier
4 Roberto Duran
3 Sammy Langford
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

On average, you tend to get an all time great come along every three years or so, but that is not a given...

At the moment these five are just outside being considered all time Greats, but I suspect in time, I will consider them all, all time greats:

40 Kid Gavilan
39 Azumah Nelson
38 Bernard Hopkins
37 Jack Johnson
36 Ricardo Lopez

And for the record I have Marciano at #56 and Dempsey at #70, in my all time top 100 list. For the moment neither Ricky or Zab Zab are not listed....
I don't know how you decide who's an all-time great, but you leaving off Dempsey and Marciano makes no sense, Dempsey K.O. d Carpentier and Marciano beat Charles in 2 epic battles, and had Dempsey been active prior to the Tunney bout, Dempsey would had beaten him soundly, Dempsey was perhaps the most fericous fighter to ever step into the ring, Tyson idolized him and even wore his hair like Dempsey early in his career. So your way off.