Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
We need to be thankful for the generations of liberalism and secularism in the west otherwise we'd be no different. If our societies were still dominated by religious conservatives we'd still be burning witches. They'd be stoning gays to death in the southern states.
.....there is a joke you'll find extremely sad yet funny

Q: "Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?"

A: "Because people might think they are dancing"



A long loooooong time ago in the Roman Empire Christianity turned from a belief system into a political position and Christianity had numerous instances of sectarian violance, just as bad as Islam in most cases, check out the Spanish and Roman Inquisitions. And KL is correct, thank God that happened so long ago because it took forever to quell violence between Catholics and Protestants and then to get them thinking "in the now" took a long time too.

I think most Christians feel that they have control of their fate....I am not so sure most Muslims feel that.


But also secularism can lead to violence as well as there were numerous wars fought before Christianity and Islam became popular.....and many wars fought between the Persians/Arabs and the West before these religions were popular
Secularism doesn't lead to violence. Leaders arrogating religion for their own personal ends however does.