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Say what you will but Joe Louis was the best...did Ali have 25 successful title defenses? I mean altogether not IN A ROW like Louis

Did Ali have a shot at going 49-0-0? Nope, didn't even get CLOSE.

No Starr, I'm saying Jackie Robinson was getting court marshalled for hitting an officer that called him a **BEEP** and Joe Louis said "No that's not right" and BAM, Jackie is free and goes on to break the color line in major league baseball. So LITERALLY without Joe Louis there is no Jackie Robinson!
Ali certainly wouldn't have lost to anyone that Joe Louis or Rocky ever beat though, your missing the entire point... It's really not that hard to grasp... Nikoly Valuev could get to 50-0 within a year, does that make him greater then Ali Joe Louis and Rocky MArciano fought in the 2 worst eras ever of HW boxing, Ali fought in the best and beat everyone there was, even though he was robbed of 3 years, when he was in his prime.. It is very possible that he could have became 50+ and 0 if he hadn't been banned from boxing... Joue Louis fought some of the worst HW title competition in the world, he maybe faced 4 or 5 fighters in his career that were anywhere near as good as the average Ali opponenet when he was at his best... Ali is clearly ahead of them both in terms of his competition and talent... There's just no doubt, if you watch all 3 it's really no question.
So Ali fought all great fighters in his title defenses, what about Brian London, Henry Cooper, Karl Mildenberger, Richard Dunn, Chuck Wepner, Jean-Pierre Coopman...he was a real killer, Alfredo Evangalista, Leon Spinks had 6 FIGHTS, and many of Ali's fights were BORING. Joe Louis was IMO the greatest heavyweight ever, he completely decimated every top Heavyweight in his era on the way up the rankings, so when he was champion there was'nt many big names for him to fight, and remember this,... Louis defeated 9 ex or future champions in his career, no other heavyweight champ can say the same.
Joe Louis had the weakest Heavyweight era

Moore, and Shmeling and thats about it unless you count the cinderella man And maybe a few others.