oh yeah i know what you mean by turn it over, hear it yelled at ameteurs all the time when they first start learning it, i just don't feel most people got that much to put into it... thats just a humble opinion and i know we can come up with lots of exceptions, but i also bet they are all pro fighters unlike say what maybe 70% of the guys that lace up gloves and dream but for whatever reason fall short...i know an old school trainer, that likes to occasionally throw it by turning his back and shoulders way into it... you gotta see it to understand,cause i can't explain but he was hitting when he did that.