Still doubting Berto?

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He beat Forbes in every aspect, most surprisingly even in defense. He looked great as soon as he relaxed. I see him beating guys like Cotto really soon... No way is Cotto taking those uppercuts. He will continue to get underrated, but I don't see anyone except Margarito beating him from what I saw tonight. He has the fastest hands in the division, even if you consider Floyd still in it, He is one of its harder punchers, and he has great skills in there, I wish he would throw combinations more, or use his speed to completely dominate fights, but that will take time hopefully.

Taeth i don't know what it is with you and Andre Berto but you have to be kidding ? Berto was struggling to land flush punches for majority of the fight, and lost 4 rounds IMO. He basically won by outworking Forbes in the later rounds. And over powering the smaller Forbes who spent majority of his career at the lower weight class. Berto got countered quite alot in the fight aswell.

Berto still hasn't beaten a top Welterweight yet, he needs to fight Collazo or etc. Then we could really judge how good Berto is, im not sold on Berto yet at all. I don't think he looked that good against Forbes, the only thing that impressed me was his amazing stamina, no doubt Berto is a good talent, but lets see him against a top Welterweight first before he start overrating him.

LOL He was landing solid punches on Forbes all night, to the body to the head... IMO it was Forbes was given more credit than he deserved in that fight. Maybe you can't keep up with his punches, I don't know, but Berto was landing clean all night. You guys might have to see guys face top competition before your satisfied, but I have Oscar beating almost everyone in the WW division, and he didn't beat Forbes even close to the same way Berto did.

I also look at the little thinks, How slick Berto is on the inside, how much better he defense was. People have been saying dumb stuff like Berto isn't a good defensive fighter, when he has been since pretty much since the knockdown. He has progressed everyfight.

The reason why I think this win is so important is this. Forbes might not be the best WW in the division, but he boxes technically better than most of the top WW. He is faster than most of the top welterweights, and he has a better chin or as good of a chin as anyone in the sport.

You guys are saying he hasn't foughten the big guys yet, but thats to come. I am not saying he is ready just yet, but he will be soon. I think you guys underestimate the importance of speed.

As of now I only see Margarito being too much for Berto without seeing how he does against Clottey, Cotto, etc.

I still don't see how any of you had Forbes winning more than the second round, he wasn't landing hardly anything, he was just eating punches, kinda reminded me of a heavyweight James Toeny... Pun not intended on the eating.

That all being said people are never willing to jump on bandwagons before its a safe bet, but Berto has consistently been proving people wrong, especially you ICT. Your opinion is your own, but in this case its wrong. I am not saying he is necessarily going to be the next p4p #1 like I could have said with MAyweather or Roy Jones Jr early on in their career, he is lacking a certain fluidity in his mobility that makes me scared that he may have the same shortcomings Mosley did. Luckily, there are no tall, skilled boxers left in the WW division except Cintron, but that fight will never happen if Berto's trainers know anything about bringing a fighter up.

Actually no he wasn't Taeth and im suprised you think that, Berto was missing alot of his punches. Especially with his famous combinations which were mostly hitting arms and gloves, or when they did land they wern't flush.

In the later rounds Berto was landing more flush especially with the uppercuts on the inside, but he basically turned the fight around. By outworking and over powering the smaller Forbes.

I had Forbes winning 4 rounds against Berto where as i had Forbes winning 3 against ODLH. So it depends on what you mean when you say Berto beat Forbes more convincing than ODLH did, by more damage ? or etc ?

Berto did look better with his defense i'll give you that, he did adjust and started slipping more punches, but i think that has more to do with. Berto throwing more punches in the later rounds, which made Forbes workrate drop heavily. Which resulted in Forbes slowing down which made it easier for Berto to slip punches.

As for your last comments i disagree on most of that Taeth, first off Forbes was landing alot of counter shots earlier on. Which were clean effective punches, and sometimes Forbes would lead with the left hook and land aswell, plus Forbes done his homework to the body.

And you say he has proved me wrong but in what exactly ? all i want to see is him fight a top Welterweight and until he does, i ain't jumping on no bandwagon. Fighting Luis Collazo or the loser of Margarito vs Clottey 2, Carlos Quintana, etc. Any of these fights would be fine.

One thing i do like about Berto is his stamina even in the 12th round against Forbes, he still had the same energy like it was the 1st round, which will serve him well against the likes of Margarito. Who i think Berto has a good chance of beating based on that.