Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
First up, let me say that I think Bernard Hopkins is a future hall of famer, one of the best I've ever seen and one of the best of all time.

BUT.

All of his career defining victories came against guys who were moving up in weight (except for Tarver, but I never thought much of him anyway + I thinkk he was drained from moving down in weight) and against whom he boasted some considerable advantages in size and strength.

Name an elite level middleweight he beat in their prime. Robert Allen? Echols? No, his biggest wins at 160 were against Trinidad and DLH, guys who were in their prime at 147.

At 175 he's fought Winky, who peaked when he was at 154, Calzaghe (who beat him anyway) who is a 168lber and Pavlik, a natural middleweight he fought at 170lbs.


Anybody else feeling this?


I guess it ties in with him being the smartest fighter ever, he likes to stack the odds in his favour.
You kind of forgot champions Holmes,Joppy,and undefeated future champ Johnson.
People allways forget that,Hopkins beat everyone that was holding a middleweight title belt at the start of the unification series,AND Trinidad too
I forgot those two because they are forgettable.


Forgot about Glen Johnson, that was an oversight - but I don't think Glen had peaked when he fought Hopkins, and I also think he gets far too much credit for a win over a shot Roy Jones.